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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon Alexander View Post
    I don't really care as to why we are here. That in my opinion is a far less important question, I want to know how we are here.


    Something can not come from nothing... So how are we here, how is anything here..?
    If we know that something could never come from nothing... would it not be safe to assume that "something" has always existed? To me, it would seem most reasonable that something came from something... rather than nothing. Just an idea, throw it around a bit, but never hang on too tightly, if you squeeze too tight that idea may turn into the dreaded...BELIEF! DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN!
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    I don't understand tho how something can have always existed... If that is the case then one of the biggest arguments that I've heard people use against the possibility of there being A God or Gods etc... is false...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon Alexander View Post
    I don't understand tho how something can have always existed... If that is the case then one of the biggest arguments that I've heard people use against the possibility of there being A God or Gods etc... is false...
    What argument is that?

    if you apply the same questions to gods origins you have the same problamtic answers

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    Why would there not be a "there"?


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    That's the thing ... time and space as we know it emerged into that initial time place density temperature of moment 1. So "before", there was simply no "there" there. cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by olylifter420 View Post
    Why would there not be a "there"?
    Because "there" requires dimensionality. cn
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    Assuming things is never a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaehet Strife View Post
    If we know that something could never come from nothing... would it not be safe to assume that "something" has always existed? To me, it would seem most reasonable that something came from something... rather than nothing. Just an idea, throw it around a bit, but never hang on too tightly, if you squeeze too tight that idea may turn into the dreaded...BELIEF! DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN!
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    So what brought about dimensionality?



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    Because "there" requires dimensionality. cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by olylifter420 View Post
    So what brought about dimensionality?
    Not trying to be facile, but .... the Big Bang.
    "Before" the BB, our timespace simply didn't exist. No 'then" and no "there". The moment the hot dense dot of here&now "precipitated" from [indescribable], "here" and "now" assumed meaning. This is the best of my understanding of a difficult concept. cn
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    Noted. How sure are they that the bb brought this dimensionality and not something else? How are they sure it is dimensionality that was sprung from the bb, not something different?

    Im just curious to know



    Quote Originally Posted by cannabineer View Post
    Not trying to be facile, but .... the Big Bang.
    "Before" the BB, our timespace simply didn't exist. No 'then" and no "there". The moment the hot dense dot of here&now "precipitated" from [indescribable], "here" and "now" assumed meaning. This is the best of my understanding of a difficult concept. cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by olylifter420 View Post
    Noted. How sure are they that the bb brought this dimensionality and not something else? How are they sure it is dimensionality that was sprung from the bb, not something different?

    Im just curious to know
    I'd have to say part of it lies in how we define things. The Big Bang is both deduced and defined to be the first moment. The math (or rather, the simplifications that I can understand) is about conditionality: you need a Big Bang to create timespace, and we can only understand it from within our native timespace. There can be no "before" or "outside" without introducing fundamentally incomprehensible space/time/?? continua of "other" dimensionality.
    The difference between Big Bang theory and any other mythos of creation, however, is in the fine print: "We're open to being proven wrong about this." I respect that. cn
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