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    There is much debate about this subject. Some people think gay people are born like that, and others believe its a choice. For the people like me that believe its a choice, we often get the "why would I want to be gay and have to suffer? You think I like dealing with this?" Well, I wouldnt think so but you obviously do. I think homosexuality is just another way your brain subconsciously deals with some sort of conflict you have emotionally. Some people bite their nails, some people like bondage and dominatrix, some people are swingers, some people drink themselves to death, and others turn to hardcore drugs. I dont think people actually wake up and say "hey, I think I wanna be gay!". Of course not. Its not a conscious decision but I dont think people were born that way.

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    Do you have any science to back that? Whenever I see "gay is a choice" i see it inextricably bundled with "gay is a sin". I reject the doctrinal argument. cn
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    Do you have any science to back that? Whenever I see "gay is a choice" i see it inextricably bundled with "gay is a sin". I reject the doctrinal argument. cn
    Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol.. that way none of you can use that as an argument. I think, on a scientific level, that homosexuality is sort of an emotional disorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaendar View Post
    Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol.. that way none of you can use that as an argument. I think, on a scientific level, that homosexuality is sort of an emotional disorder.
    Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaendar View Post
    Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol.. that way none of you can use that as an argument. I think, on a scientific level, that homosexuality is sort of an emotional disorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cannabineer View Post
    Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
    the APA has not classified it as a disorder going on thirty plus years now.

    their decision to do so was based on...wait for it...science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cannabineer View Post
    Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
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    "There is substantial evidence based on years of clinical experience that homosexuality is a developmental disorder.Every child has a healthy need to identify positively with the parent of the same sex, have same-sex friendships, a positive body image and a confident sexual identity. Homosexual feelings can occur when these needs are not met appropriately.The adolescent's unmet needs become entangled with emerging sexual feelings and produce same-sex attraction.Therapy consists in helping male clients to understand the emotional causes of their attraction and to strengthen their masculine identity. It has been our clinical experience that as these men become more conformable and confident with their manhood, same-sex attractions resolve or decrease significantly in many patients." - Richard P Fitzgibbons, MD

    "Homosexuality is neither innate and unchangeable nor a 'life-style choice' and changeable at will. The one with homosexual feelings, desires, and behavior is struggling as a result of a developmental problem. This developmental disorder is most often a deeply embedded condition which normally starts in early childhood long before the development of moral and self-awareness and is genuinely experienced by the individual as though it was never absent in one form or another."


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    "The stages of psycho-social development toward adult heterosexuality are clearly demarcated, known and understood by developmental psychologists, and are so obviously learned that heterosexuality is clearly not genetically mandated. Surveys of adult homosexuals show conspicuous deficits in several of these developmental stages - showing that homosexuality is cultural and environmental rather than genetic."

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    Why does it matter whether it is a choice or not? Do you remember choosing between liking girls and boys when you hit puberty? If you didn't choose, why do you supposed people that have different attractions actually made a conscious choice versus felt something inherent like you did? I think the only people that try to claim being gay is a choice are people looking for a reason to discriminate against them.
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    Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol..
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    ... Richard P Fitzgibbons, MD
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    A Letter to the Catholic Bishops

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    This open letter describes in clear terms the real problem facing the Roman Catholic Church. It is included here because of its sympathy towards men and women struggling with homosexuality while remaining thoroughly within Christian moral tradition.

    May 29, 2002

    Your Excellencies:

    As a Catholic psychiatrist and psychologist...
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