personal will

Originally Posted by Dislexicmidget2021

Nicely put neer.I would like to see opinions about resistance.The will to resist or abstain,say you want to quit smoking cigarrettes or you want to stop certain patterns of thought,sort of like reprogramming a particular tendency within the mind,which happens to be extra difficult more often than not.What is at the center of this sort of commitment?I dont know if it could be called drive and it really dosent seem like free will at this point.But hey,i could be wrong.

I've wondered something similar, Disl. I struggled to get free of an opiate addiction, and I came to the tentative conclusion that my mind fragmented into two seats of will: the usual, and what I called an "organic consciousness". I posited this as a seat for the "ignore your intention and just get the fix" resistance to simply maintaining my resolve. I don't know if it's real or just self-excusing bullshit however. Maybe, at the resistance point, it's not just one judge up there but several en banc. I'm guessing the folks "with willpower" have found a way to get the bench to return a favorable majority verdict. cn

That's funny, I noticed the same thing with cocaine. It does not take long for the value system to become completely screwed up.
Rent seems like a Dollar and a real dollar is worthless. Won't even buy a line.

Originally Posted by cannabineer

I've wondered something similar, Disl. I struggled to get free of an opiate addiction, and I came to the tentative conclusion that my mind fragmented into two seats of will: the usual, and what I called an "organic consciousness". I posited this as a seat for the "ignore your intention and just get the fix" resistance to simply maintaining my resolve. I don't know if it's real or just self-excusing bullshit however. Maybe, at the resistance point, it's not just one judge up there but several en banc. I'm guessing the folks "with willpower" have found a way to get the bench to return a favorable majority verdict. cn

so the organic conciousness,i like the term here, sounds like the part of ones self or mental process that attempts to grow out of a habit and make reform,but if you have a bunch of corrupt judges up there they verdict to do "the usual" everytime,or that its easier to not break this norm so the court is dismissed before it can get started,its screwed up though,especially when you have the hindsight already to know how things will just come back to this again but the decision still goes the same.Ive had that sort of thing occur before,when that happens its like you need to reach the Ive had enough,to the point you make your own reform no matter what misery comes of it,you just know that you dont want that lower level helplessness starring at you any more,maybe this could be the real strength of organic conciousness.Or did i misinterpret what you posted when you were talking about your organic conciousness.

Originally Posted by Dislexicmidget2021

so the organic conciousness,i like the term here, sounds like the part of ones self or mental process that attempts to grow out of a habit and make reform,but if you have a bunch of corrupt judges up there they verdict to do "the usual" everytime,or that its easier to not break this norm so the court is dismissed before it can get started,its screwed up though,especially when you have the hindsight already to know how things will just come back to this again but the decision still goes the same.Ive had that sort of thing occur before,when that happens its like you need to reach the Ive had enough,to the point you make your own reform no matter what misery comes of it,you just know that you dont want that lower level helplessness starring at you any more,maybe this could be the real strength of organic conciousness.Or did i misinterpret what you posted when you were talking about your organic conciousness.

I had it the other way. The rational consciousness seeks reform. The organic consciousness subverts. Mind you, it's purely subjective on my part. cn

ahh So I see Mr. Neer.Ok,it still makes good sense.