When do you get a soul??

Originally Posted by missnu

You guys really do find the strangest things to argue about...you can't change anyone's mind about their belief or religion..not without years of violence anyway...and what it the point? Sweet Jesu...

We can now definitively say this isn't true, just look at Hep. He's our poster child

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Originally Posted by cannabineer

The thing about Heisenberg's Principle is that it sets a maximum dimension for the uncertainty that is approx. atomic in scale. The quantity h is tiny. Imo extending the Uncertainty Principle into the macroscopic does not work. There are too many metaphysicians out there today (imo) who hide behind an incomplete comprehension of uncertainty and quantum mechanics. cn

Yes, an aweful lot of uncertainty would have to be aligned to created a repeatable, non-causal event in the macro world, for example. Or to throw a rock through a boulder. But, it's more than meta-woo that says it is certainly possible. In Many Worlds Hypothisis, there is nothing to suggest a strict timeline causal effect of event forks, as I understand it, meagerly. Though these decisions are said to create these other, many, worlds, there is nothing to say at what point that decision would be injected to make the new world. There is plenty to suggest non-causal effect at the forks. I would say that forking Worlds is a possible maco effect.

So, true, micro scale, but all existence is piles of these micro particles. That's all there is.

Originally Posted by Padawanbater2

What is prophecy?

Define it

Prophecy is basically making a prediction thats guaranteed to come true. The way you described it sounds like a bunch of loonies in a cult. Example of a prophecy would be like I write down today that a specific event will happen usually during a specific time period or place, in a specific order of events. If it doesnt come true its not prophecy. Most people that "think" theyre prophets (i.e. Joseph Smith) are usually making stuff up and convincing themselves it is a message from god. The book of Revelations is a good example of prophecy that is coming true, proving itself to be a legitimate prophetic text.

Originally Posted by Kaendar

Prophecy is basically making a prediction thats guaranteed to come true. The way you described it sounds like a bunch of loonies in a cult. Example of a prophecy would be like I write down today that a specific event will happen usually during a specific time period or place, in a specific order of events. If it doesnt come true its not prophecy. Most people that "think" theyre prophets (i.e. Joseph Smith) are usually making stuff up and convincing themselves it is a message from god. The book of Revelations is a good example of prophecy that is coming true, proving itself to be a legitimate prophetic text.

Someday our sun is going to explode. Guess I'm a prophet now.

Time to find a 9 year old to marry and maybe I'll start my own religion. Oh wait muporkmed beat me to it.

Originally Posted by cannabineer

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Haha.. Seriously though, I feel like that's how CWE views us.

Originally Posted by Cut.Throat.

Someday our sun is going to explode. Guess I'm a prophet now.

Time to find a 9 year old to marry and maybe I'll start my own religion. Oh wait muporkmed beat me to it.

...tha fck?

Originally Posted by Doer

Yes, an aweful lot of uncertainty would have to be aligned to created a repeatable, non-causal event in the macro world, for example. Or to throw a rock through a boulder. But, it's more than meta-woo that says it is certainly possible. In Many Worlds Hypothisis, there is nothing to suggest a strict timeline causal effect of event forks, as I understand it, meagerly. Though these decisions are said to create these other, many, worlds, there is nothing to say at what point that decision would be injected to make the new world. There is plenty to suggest non-causal effect at the forks. I would say that forking Worlds is a possible maco effect.

So, true, micro scale, but all existence is piles of these micro particles. That's all there is.

The probability of an electron tunneling into and out of a "quantum dot" is high enough to measure.
The probability of a rock tunneling through another rock is ten to the minus such an insanely huge number that it can not only be approximated - but stated - as zero.
And Many Worlds is exactly the sort of thing I mean when I refer to the new quantumspeak as metaphysics. So many stacked what-ifs. cn