Originally Posted by cannabineer
...for the sake of time (only), I'm going to post this c 'n p:
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
This concept of "perfect" is also to be found in ancient philosophies.
My favorite is that attributed to Hermes - whether Hermes is an allegorical figure or historic matters little. One does not need to believe a man named "Hermes" actually existed to study the message.
Over time, I find that to separate the material from the spiritual is more and more difficult. Contemplating "LIGHT" from both the science and the spiritual/religious aspect gives me the idea that ALL is "light" and material is merely light that is more dense and has a lower frequency rate.
I've read of the quantum physics theory of NEUTRINOS. (Please note, the use of "THEORY" ). Briefly, in my own words, these are found to come from energy sources - mostly the sun - but, are also in radioactivity or nuclear decay. These pass through matter - from our own bodies to passing through the earth. It is thought that some of them that enter our bodies, stay there - as energy.
The Greek word for "perfect" is "telesma". It is connected in the "ancient mystery schools" to: "rite" ("teleoo" means "to bring to an end" and "to initiate into the mysteries" ), also found in the word "talisman", a physical object whose subtle vehicle (or etheric double) is a condensation of a spiritual state of consciousness. All these meanings are implied here in philosophy of Hermetics:
The superforce accomplishing the miracles of the One Entity, according to the laws of the operation of the Sun, brings everything to its natural end, i.e. towards its completion, i.e. its return to the One Entity.
Basic Hermetic philosophy:
"We are capable of finding divinity within ourselves and nourishing it by using Inner Fire -- this akashic matter, this cosmic electricity, which Hermes Trismegistus in his Emerald Tablet called telesma. By whatever name, it is always the same primordial force, 'the most powerful force of all forces' as Hermes Trismegistus calls it. This force comes from the sun, which is the distributor and inexhaustible source. One of the manifestations of this force is love -- love which makes the worlds move. Behind the light of the sun are many other forces, and telesma is a force so potent that, as the Emerald Tablet puts it, ‘it overcomes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid substance.' The initiate’s work is to channel this telesma and condense it within his cells until a transformation takes place.” Hermes said, in the Emerald Tablet, “It is the cause, this, of all perfection of all things throughout the universe. This will attain the highest perfection of powers.”
This "telesma" of Hermetics, and "perfection" spoken of by Jesus, as something we should have as a goal certainly sounds like it is related to the scientific theory of NEUTRINOS to me. (And, there are thought to be, "ANTI-NEUTRINOS" ).
BTW, The origin of the word Hermes relates to a stone pillar used to communicate with the deities and the use of names beginning with Herm in Greece dates from at least 600 BCE.
As a Greek god, an ancient mention is in the "Homeric Hymn to Hermes", dating to the seventh or sixth centuries BC and deals with his birth and early exploits.
Thus, the antiquity of the roots of Hermetics (back to Hermes/Thoth) are evident.
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...I'll go grab a link to the source of this when I'm back here. Interesting stuff either way
Thanks for that, eye. I will need to give it a proper reading after lunch. I was going on a cheap first-pass judgment after reading the dictionary def. of "telesmatic" and noticing the similarity to "talisman" ... which you covered.
My favorite Mystery School was Eleusis. cn
"My god ... it's full of stars!" - David BowmanneerGreen 2: Soilless grow
Once again, you have no idea what Im talking about when I try to make a point to you. If this discussion keeps on going its just gunna be like the 2012 discussion where you ask pointless questions that have nothing to do with the main idea... Keep looking for answers outside yourself man.Nope, I'm wondering how you can call that dude that's talking about channelling gods a genius while you don't want to listen to people that tell the facts here.
You act like there's a whole "spiritual" world we don't understand as skeptics (you're a skeptic too btw. Do you believe in chrisianity? Islamic teachings? How about the buddha?). But I used to be "spiritual" and there's nothing there but your own imagination. Plenty of people here used to be religious but soon found out that they were just a little confused.
Nobody made me follow christianity, I started my religious journey alone. The atheists don't have their own reality. No, they aren't all the same. An atheist can believe there's no such thing as gravity. So I'm a little confused when you say "then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that".. Accept what? Atheists don't have a book to follow. They don't have a set path. They're free spirits ().
Please explain how I'm a follower. Am I a follower in the sense that I believe in gravity because I can see it for myself? That's what I don't think you understand about science. It doesn't matter if you follow it or don't, it's always going to prove true through enough tests.
I used to be a follower when I followed christianity. But I stopped following and made my own path. So again, what exactly am I following? Sorry if you don't like to acknowledge facts but I do. So I guess you mean I'm a follower in the sense that I follow truth. And I'm sure you believe you're a leader right? IMO you're just a leader of nonsense.
Nobody said all skeptics were geniuses, but interestingly enough, all geniuses are skeptics.
Each skeptic on this site is making a difference within themselves.
[paraphrasing] "...maybe we should quit calling it "science" and start calling it reality".
-Neil D. Tyson
This explains a lot. You don't understand what atheism is, or the rigorous process it is to get there.
If you took the time to learn and understand the actual history of the universe with an honest mindset you wouldn't think DNA came into existence 'by chance'.
The logical fallacy you display here is well studied, take a look at this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
"I don't know how _________ happened, so God must have done it"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle's_fallacy
Even when shown on multiple occasions how and why we can't rely solely on our senses to discern reality. Astounding.
I accepted Christianity because my family is Christian and I was too young to understand the other options available, and too young to comprehend the concepts involved. There is no 'atheist version of reality', there just is reality. On the other hand, theists tend to reject reality in favor of myth and superstition.
As mentioned before, reaching atheism is a rigorous process involving quite a bit of time pondering complicated concepts.
How do you think you learned to read, write, do math, drive, shit? You just figured that out all on your own eh?
The process of attaining knowledge, something you've probably never experienced if you could possibly butcher it that bad, relies heavily on people passing information down the line of time. Even religions rely on people passing the information down.
Why do you even try Pad? Our opinions on each other are made up, yet you continue with these blow hard responses. I think you are an antisocial angry child who cant even spend three days with another human being without getting sick of them, and your a die hard atheist whos a SPIRITUALITY MODERATOR <-- that alone says a whole lot about your character. And you think Im a gullible ignorant idiot that knows nothing about reality. Neither of us is going to change anything with our words. No theist gains anything from what you arrogant know-it-alls have to say, and vise versa. If you listened to the guy in this video then you would probably learn something from a theist. You might realize how stupid and childish your motives are when pointlessly taking part in spiritual discussions. Try and expose me all you want but when its all said and done your still the militant atheist thats a spirituality mod, what a sad way to spend your time.Nobody said all skeptics were geniuses, but interestingly enough, all geniuses are skeptics.
Each skeptic on this site is making a difference within themselves.
[paraphrasing] "...maybe we should quit calling it "science" and start calling it reality".
-Neil D. Tyson
This explains a lot. You don't understand what atheism is, or the rigorous process it is to get there.
If you took the time to learn and understand the actual history of the universe with an honest mindset you wouldn't think DNA came into existence 'by chance'.
The logical fallacy you display here is well studied, take a look at this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
"I don't know how _________ happened, so God must have done it"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle's_fallacy
Even when shown on multiple occasions how and why we can't rely solely on our senses to discern reality. Astounding.
I accepted Christianity because my family is Christian and I was too young to understand the other options available, and too young to comprehend the concepts involved. There is no 'atheist version of reality', there just is reality. On the other hand, theists tend to reject reality in favor of myth and superstition.
As mentioned before, reaching atheism is a rigorous process involving quite a bit of time pondering complicated concepts.
How do you think you learned to read, write, do math, drive, shit? You just figured that out all on your own eh?
The process of attaining knowledge, something you've probably never experienced if you could possibly butcher it that bad, relies heavily on people passing information down the line of time. Even religions rely on people passing the information down.
"You arrogant know-it-alls"
"What is it with you people?"
0:35 for the cue.
"If you can't say it clearly, you don't understand it yourself." - John Searle
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/514859-afrawfraws-second-grow-journal.html
Sir, CALM DOWN!
"If you can't say it clearly, you don't understand it yourself." - John Searle
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/514859-afrawfraws-second-grow-journal.html
I'll be glad to play the role of Adam Sandler in this situation lol.
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"If you can't say it clearly, you don't understand it yourself." - John Searle
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/514859-afrawfraws-second-grow-journal.html
Blatant stupidity doesn't fly in my section. You should be happy I didn't point out all the other errors in that post.
A lot of theists gain knowledge from quite a few atheists who post here, you're just too dumb to realize it, and instead of learning something yourself, you bitch and complain every time someone points out the obvious flaws in your logic. A clear indication of the level of conviction you have in your own beliefs.
Just because you close your mind to the opportunity to learn something doesn't mean the rest of us have.
I spend my time swimming in the ocean of knowledge, you spend your time treading water in the kiddy pool of ignorance.
You're not even on the same level as the rest of us, kid.
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