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Originally Posted by Chief Walkin Eagle

Your arguments can be used against everyone with a supernatural belief, where does that get you? With your point of view, atheistic science will be on top everytime. You are CONVINCED that atheistic science is the only true way. You wont even consider any other possibilities because science will tell you that those possibilities are irrational and simply cant be true, thats how dependent you are on it. "god" could appear out of thin air, fart in your face and say "I told you so!" then vanish and you would still not believe it because you are that thick headed.

I would never put science up against faith. Fool's battle. When a person has faith, their belief becomes as real as the screen your looking at. I would find it disrespectful to apply objective logic to a persons beliefs based on faith.

Like buying your father in law, who loves Chevy's, a Ford.

Even if the truck is in much better shape, the offer is refused because of emotional response.

=)

Originally Posted by afrawfraw

I would never put science up against faith. Fool's battle. When a person has faith, their belief becomes as real as the screen your looking at. I would find it disrespectful to apply objective logic to a persons beliefs based on faith.

Like buying your father in law, who loves Chevy's, a Ford.

Even if the truck is in much better shape, the offer is refused because of emotional response.

=)

I have no faith.

Originally Posted by afrawfraw

I would never put science up against faith. Fool's battle. When a person has faith, their belief becomes as real as the screen your looking at. I would find it disrespectful to apply objective logic to a persons beliefs based on faith.

Like buying your father in law, who loves Chevy's, a Ford.

Even if the truck is in much better shape, the offer is refused because of emotional response.

=)

There's a way to Dodge that dilemma. cn

Owe, owe,owe,owe,owe.

Failing logic is obvious, and painful. For both of us. Because it hurts just to watch.

Originally Posted by Chief Walkin Eagle

I have no faith.

OK. Didn't propose anything on your beliefs. Your statement was towards supernatural beliefs and comparing with science. No attack intended.

Originally Posted by Chief Walkin Eagle

I have no faith.

I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by tyler.durden

Hey, Eye! Great thread idea. I really like this forum, the intellectuals, the crazies, the posers, the trolls, it's all good. It's SO entertaining, usually a lot better than what's on TV. I've learned a lot from so many of you, most of you are much more interesting than the people I run across IRL. There are some heavy thinkers here: from the skeptics, atheists and lovers of science I'm always learning something useful, and many are experts at subjects that really interest me. From the theists and believers of the supernatural, it's usually interesting to see where and why they're so very wrong. JK It is interesting to see how and why they came by there beliefs. Hep is an amazing example of how the discussions here (along with courage and honest introspection) can facilitate a drastic change in one's thought processes and beliefs. I'm inclined to speculate that there are probably others that lurk in these forums who have experienced similar epiphanies...

...I agree, there are a ton of interesting characters in here Just as a side(ish) note, have you ever communicated with someone in a dream, or while in a meditative state?

Originally Posted by Padawanbater2

I've learned no amount of rational discussion or logical thought will matter to someone shackled by faith. Rational arguments don't work on irrational people. I've learned speaking about religion with certain kinds of people is a waste of time. Not to get hung up on things I can't change.

Funny I've never come across a religious person with any actual original thoughts or arguments for belief, a single time. I've been on the scene for 6 years, and every religious argument has been around for decades.

I've learned that the internet is where organized religions come to die. Bullshit doesn't get past people seeking answers, and it's impossible to lie when anyone can get the correct answer with the touch of a button. Those that don't, don't want to know what's true.

Worth 6 years of wasted time.

...well, Pad, I am a 'novel idea' factory (when all flows well ), it's what I do for a living. That, coupled with my belief, has a bit to say about 'no original thoughts'. If there is nothing new under the sun then it is clear that science is just connecting dots that were already there. Where's the new stuff from science? If science is 'made of matter' lets say, then really it is nothing more than lego for arrogant 'grown ups'. I don't mean that as a jab either, because I play with those same legos, so-to-speak.

To me there is zero delusion in holding science in one hand, and belief in the other. Otherwise, (imo) I would not be on this planet - it is 100% necessary to have consciousness and matter to play here. I think that both science and religion negate one half of themselves - and, here we are discussing it. Stuck in the middle, if one is lucky enough.