PROOF that GOD Exists......

If your caught talking to yourself, make sure it's a minister, not a psychiatrist. C'mon, that shit is FUNNY!

Originally Posted by Zaehet Strife

Meditation is either deep thinking about a particular subject, or deep no-thinking about anything (just being).

Prayer is either wishful thinking (hoping for something to happen, or not to happen), asking for forgiveness to something contrived from our imagination (god) because we do not have the courage to forgive ourselves, asking something other than ourselves to forgive others so we do not have to, or giving thanks to something other than ourselves or other people/natural events that occur that appear to be in our favor (giving ourselves a mystical sense of importance in an inherently meaningless existence).

That's just my take.

im gonna go with that one, i dont really say Om or whatever when i meditate, i just try to clear my mind and take deep breathes through my nose. i think everyone has a different method though, im not one to define what is or isnt meditation. btw kaendar who was the so called scientist who compared religion and science? im still eager to find out who this so called scientist is, sounds like straight bullshit to me. he probably wont answer me but its worth a try i guess.

Originally Posted by crazyhazey

im gonna go with that one, i dont really say Om or whatever when i meditate, i just try to clear my mind and take deep breathes through my nose. i think everyone has a different method though, im not one to define what is or isnt meditation. btw kaendar who was the so called scientist who compared religion and science? im still eager to find out who this so called scientist is, sounds like straight bullshit to me. he probably wont answer me but its worth a try i guess.

...hey-zey Here's a clip from wiki to mull over.

Catholic theologians contend that natural reason being a God-given capacity, is not opposed to the Church's teachings, and hence never contradict each other.^[1] The role of Catholic Church, throughout history, has therefore led to progress of science and intuitive reasoning. This view is contested by secular historians, who contest that the question has been historically varied from active and even singular support from the Church^{[citation needed]} to bitter clashes (with accusations of heresy) in the Middle Ages^{[citation needed]}, and back once again to a reserved support from the Church. The differences primarily arise due to the different definitions given to science. While secular philosophers consider 'science' in the restricted sense of natural science, theologians have viewed science in a very broad sense, as given by Aristotle's definition that science is the sure and evident knowledge obtained from demonstrations.^[2] In this sense, science comprises the entire curriculum of university studies, and Catholic Church has claimed authority in matters of doctrine and teaching of science. With the gradual secularisation of Europe and North America, including though not limited to traditionally Catholic countries, the political power and influence of the Church over matters pertaining to scientific research has gradually faded. Where in the early days of scientific research science and theology of various kinds were considered very much intertwined, it is generally accepted^{[citation needed]} throughout 21st Century society that the elucidations and processes of the empirical sciences and the theological claims of religions where they cross over with scientific claims (such as concerning the genesis of the universe and/or humanity) are either fully independent of each other.^{[citation needed]}

Originally Posted by eye exaggerate

...hey-zey Here's a clip from wiki to mull over.

Catholic theologians contend that natural reason being a God-given capacity, is not opposed to the Church's teachings, and hence never contradict each other.^[1] The role of Catholic Church, throughout history, has therefore led to progress of science and intuitive reasoning. This view is contested by secular historians, who contest that the question has been historically varied from active and even singular support from the Church^{[citation needed]} to bitter clashes (with accusations of heresy) in the Middle Ages^{[citation needed]}, and back once again to a reserved support from the Church. The differences primarily arise due to the different definitions given to science. While secular philosophers consider 'science' in the restricted sense of natural science, theologians have viewed science in a very broad sense, as given by Aristotle's definition that science is the sure and evident knowledge obtained from demonstrations.^[2] In this sense, science comprises the entire curriculum of university studies, and Catholic Church has claimed authority in matters of doctrine and teaching of science. With the gradual secularisation of Europe and North America, including though not limited to traditionally Catholic countries, the political power and influence of the Church over matters pertaining to scientific research has gradually faded. Where in the early days of scientific research science and theology of various kinds were considered very much intertwined, it is generally accepted^{[citation needed]} throughout 21st Century society that the elucidations and processes of the empirical sciences and the theological claims of religions where they cross over with scientific claims (such as concerning the genesis of the universe and/or humanity) are either fully independent of each other.^{[citation needed]}

correct me if im wrong but this is basically what ive been saying, the church attempted to have a part in science when answers simply couldnt be found(like in the Middle Ages when they killed Plato), but nowadays due to advances in reasoning and technology the church has become separated from science.

Originally Posted by crazyhazey

correct me if im wrong but this is basically what ive been saying, the church attempted to have a part in science when answers simply couldnt be found(like in the Middle Ages when they killed Plato), but nowadays due to advances in reasoning and technology the church has become separated from science.

I hope you didn't just say churches attempted to be scientific!? They never have. They have only embraced scientific work if it boosts their cause. Or are you going to sit there and propose that a church, built and operated based on preconceived notions, would seek out contradictory evidence which proves them false, then publish said works, are you?

Or attempted, but failed miserably?

Originally Posted by afrawfraw

I hope you didn't just say churches attempted to be scientific!? They never have. They have only embraced scientific work if it boosts their cause. Or are you going to sit there and propose that a church, built and operated based on preconceived notions, would seek out contradictory evidence which proves them false, then publish said works, are you?

notice i said "attempted" hahaha they utterly failed. and hell no, if they could they would probably kill people for proving them wrong(like Plato).

Originally Posted by crazyhazey

notice i said "attempted" hahaha they utterly failed. and hell no, if they could they would probably kill people for proving them wrong(like Plato).

Phew, OK. I'll call the wagons off,lol.

Originally Posted by afrawfraw

Phew, OK. I'll call the wagons off,lol.

oh shit you had wagons? hahaha