^ prayer is meditation.
"No, no, ring this doorbell. That doorbell will give you a rash."
Lack of knowledge about something does not make it true. You argument is no different than saying science has not proved faeries, so they are true. Look up the logical fallacy argumentum ad ignorantium because you seem to commit this one quite often.
I am human like you. I would sincerely like to find out that there really is a god or I have a soul that can live beyond my physical life, who wouldn't? So when I see someone make a claim to 'proof' I certainly am interested in hearing this new proof. Then here you come along and insult and criticize me and others for being disappointed when we find out that this proof is hardly what it was claimed and trying to explain to the OP WHY it is inadequate and definitely not proof, let alone good evidence. I'm tolerant of ideas but I do not have to be tolerant of fallacious reasoning being touted as truth. Calling out someone's illogical thinking in a debate/discussion forum is not intolerance, it is teaching.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. ~Carl Sagan
Prayer is not meditation, but prayer can lead to silent contemplation. Meditation is more like saying the Roseriary, or chanting. Most, if not all meditation involves Chanting of some form. The most effective, imo, are just sounds, not words. Sounds that product beneficial physical vibrations in the skull. Om, Hu, etc.
And then there are internal senses of sound, taste, sight, etc to Preceive, that are totally un-hooked from temporal duality as they are experienced only after the mind clould of thought is ducked completely.
Last edited by Doer; 06-20-2012 at 02:56 PM.
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