PROOF that GOD Exists......

Originally Posted by afrawfraw

The evidence is clear.

I just watched that and there were few statistics actually presented besides "most" of this kind of person etc. What this also assumes is that the data it does present falls into the realm of causation, but they are in fact correlations, not proof of causation. Since you fail to grasp the difference, refuse to acknowledge the contextual problems with you statements and ultimately are in this discussion, not to advance understanding, but to simply try to aggrandize your position and devalue anyone else's, there is no point in discussing.
be easy

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Knee-length skirts?? You ... rake. cn

...darn tootin' Shiny buttons too

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

Science doesn't care whether it trumps nor does it try to trump, nor is it even pointedly interested in trumping anything. It is a methodology and epistemology geared towards understanding the physical realm. And, recognizes that there are aspects of existence that are viable, real, and very interesting, but outside of the scope of scientific inquiry.

...man, you've only been here a little while and I can't rep you anymore "epistemology geared towards understanding the physical realm" - spot on.

Originally Posted by eye exaggerate

...darn tootin' Shiny buttons too

Oh the humanity. cn

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Oh the humanity. cn

...I was just taking a sip of my soda when I read this, close call

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

I just watched that and there were few statistics actually presented besides "most" of this kind of person etc. What this also assumes is that the data it does present falls into the realm of causation, but they are in fact correlations, not proof of causation. Since you fail to grasp the difference, refuse to acknowledge the contextual problems with you statements and ultimately are in this discussion, not to advance understanding, but to simply try to aggrandize your position and devalue anyone else's, there is no point in discussing.
be easy

The video states what would happen if you removed a population simply because they did not believe. If you want to refute the claims of the video, present evidence to the contrary. To state I am out for blood is more an emotional reaction than discussion. I can never apply reason to faith. So to devalue someone else's opinion only bolsters it. Every one is entitled to what they want to believe. Just don't try to prove it, unless you really can, using facts. By observing Atheism, we can begin to see how and why it exists at all, like any other alignment, no?

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

Right, and because there would be no control group, it would be impossible to SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE THIS. You would have to evolve at least one entire human species on another planet free from all other interference than the one you are testing: religion. So, no, i don't see how you could easily prove this.

Funding would be incredible. But you would merely have to raise a group without religiosity. Exposed to everything BUT. Secluded. "Another Planet" I take as environment. Within a few hundred years, it would be apparent.

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

I'm sorry, to blame all killing and wrongness on religion, that's what is pretty basic. man fights over power, religion is just one thing out of which differences arise and was very expedient as a "reason" to start a war. if it hadn't been for religion, we'd still fight over other shit and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

I don't. But religion is mans greatest threat. Do you need numbers?

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

I'm sorry for being a dick here, but i'm just tired of watching you misuse the word "site" to mean "cite"

I'm stoned. I'll cite you on site the next time I use cite correctly. Outa sight!

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

This is an opinion based on your perspective. Science doesn't care whether it trumps nor does it try to trump, nor is it even pointedly interested in trumping anything. It is a methodology and epistemology geared towards understanding the physical realm. And, recognizes that there are aspects of existence that are viable, real, and very interesting, but outside of the scope of scientific inquiry.

I never spoke of science as a personality. I merely said science yields more results.

Originally Posted by Dr.J20

Technology, as you have listed it, seems only to include inventions and materials: you have exempted novel ideas and processes. Furthermore, science may do well to explain WHY a technology provides what it provides but it is entirely possible for a layman to make a discovery and use it simply because it achieves his desired goal.
I'll watch your video but the mere fact that its premise is "imagine if all atheists left america" makes me think its probably not going to advance intelligent discussion.
be easy

You seem to have this notion that scientists wear bunny suits and murmur to each other scribbling notes on clipboards...If somebody observes a need, tests different solutions, and draws a conclusion based on results...This is what you described...

Look, I'm not saying science is a "Savior". What I'm saying is it's been witnessed, in human history, as we acquaint ourselves with science, we become more productive, aware beings.