PROOF that GOD Exists......

It could also be that we're all being dreamed by a moth.

We could very well be someones dream.

Originally Posted by Doer

Athiesm is not yet an organized religion. Call it a cult. And we can certainly sense the superiority and sometimes, outright violence of thought, that's common in cult formation, when the intellectuals succed in motivating the minions. A certain type of second class viewpoint is already forming from the "First Class." of Truth. A true intolerance brewing if you ask me. A blame and guilt game to make Religion as the culprit for our moderm ills. The ignorance of some the basic fact of history, show me the dumbed dowm mob is getting ahold of the idea.

It's something to be feared as any religion, to me. So, the little a-theist, like Mr. H and mPhk, beware the mob secular anti-globalists. For me any label beyond Self is a power game.

If I'm to be accused of violent thoughts then report me to the Ministry of Love. I seriously question people that are disturbed by and accuse 'others' of such crimethink. In fact, I find it terribly troubling that some people are similarly outraged and in fear of such thoughtcrime making its way into speech. Such labels and attacks against ideas are typically only made by those that wish to silence 'others.' The idea that intolerance for intolerance is itself intolerant is laughable on its face yet disturbingly ubiquitous among bigots themselves.

No one accused you of violence of thought or venom of words. Besides it's nothing more than impolite. Now I know some young folks think they can be as stupid as they like in forum, name calling, personal insults, etc and it's true they are beyond the immediate bitch slap. So, they feel free. Doesn't make it polite. We have to be somewhat polite in face to face, but not forum, sad fact.

But, you see, I excluded you and Mr. H specifically from what I was mentioning as potentially violent, not yet completely organized, effort against religion. I also likened it to some of the other secular cults in recent history. The ones that tried to wipe out entire peoples.

So, show thin skin if you must. I meant no offense. Mr. H did not seem to take it that way, he said he too would be against such a cult. I expected right minded people to agree about that.

Originally Posted by Doer

I only know one thing.

You can only really know one thing, that you really know nothing.

BUT! You CAN think you know what you know, that is possible too, but that still doesn't change the fact that you know nothing.

I am speaking here in terms of spirituality, metaphysics, theology and the like.

Originally Posted by Zaehet Strife

You can only really know one thing, that you really know nothing.

BUT! You CAN think you know what you know, that is possible too, but that still doesn't change the fact that you know nothing.

I am speaking here in terms of spirituality, metaphysics, theology and the like.

Dude, if the experience if beyond my thinking, by definition, how can I only think I know? Do we only *think* we know the feel of velvet because we cannot describe it scientifically. If I handed you a piece of velvet and your eyes were closed. You'd have an experience, unless you hands were full, missing or had gloves. In other words you were not prepped to feel it. If prepared you will feel the velvet regardless. You may not know what the name of it is, or have never felt it, but it will feel unique.

You suppose my description of the feel of velvet and the value it brings to me must withstand the rigor of debate? That I must prove or at least postulate that my description must match yours, within the puny cauldron of words? About a wordless experience? One that only begins after mind words are ignored?

That's religion and why I don't describe. You can say that I don't know, what I know.

Originally Posted by Doer

This personal attack stance is just showig what a punk you are. I'm proud of what I said.
Lowly sarcasm, how base we stoop.

I'm a punk for quoting you in context. I guess I'm a punk then. And I never attacked you. Just in awe that you believe we're not born Atheists and that Atheism is a religion. And yet you stamp your feet and refuse to accept facts, even after being presented by other posters. I don't blame you. Faith ignores all evidence.

Originally Posted by Doer

That's the usual wiggle and it's pretel logic, attibutabe to cults. You say you aren't rejecting the concept of diety, but you are.
You claim the concept is false.

Where do you get these straw man attacks from? I don't reject any deity's. You have no idea how an Atheist feels. It's so obvious. Keep screaming, I'm sure that will help.