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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedMelodyMindBender View Post
    Oddly enough while at the dentist last week I was reading an article about the Amish in a magazine. Unbeknownst to myself but the Amish have the largest rate of suicide outside of Islam. Which kinda makes sense to me, as I have seen just how horrific they can be to a non-believer or someone who is "exiled". shunning, especially in the Amish community, can be the blame to such a high suicide rate. If I remember correctly the average age was like 18 or right around the time of Amish "courting" or dating period where they have the option of leaving the cult.
    thats they type of mind control that religion, taken to an extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedMelodyMindBender View Post
    Oddly enough while at the dentist last week I was reading an article about the Amish in a magazine. Unbeknownst to myself but the Amish have the largest rate of suicide outside of Islam. Which kinda makes sense to me, as I have seen just how horrific they can be to a non-believer or someone who is "exiled". shunning, especially in the Amish community, can be the blame to such a high suicide rate. If I remember correctly the average age was like 18 or right around the time of Amish "courting" or dating period where they have the option of leaving the cult.
    Wonder how many of them chose electrocution ... cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by cannabineer View Post
    Wonder how many of them chose electrocution ... cn
    hahaha thats not a very amish way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedMelodyMindBender View Post
    Never said it was wrong m8, just highly not idea place. I mean this place has the attention span of a 8 year old with adhd. Your not gonna get anything of merit or relative to merit.

    Cannabis Users are a wide realm I get that yes. But I would like to think when your sick and you need advice, you go to a Dr. and not the homeless wisemen down the road. But, to each their own.

    Its mostly a poke of fun, if your remove it from context, well then it can be whatever you would like it to be. I mean he asked why I believed in what I believed in and I told him the skittles riddle Don't take my post to heart. Its comical advice, do what ya will with it

    Again, like I said, I didn't say to not pick and probe the community with religious question. I recommended he chill and hinted that its just not the ideal place to ask such questions.

    Go to church and ask??? Might be an ideal place to start....certainly better than a canna forum.

    I mean if you want to know about a certain dr in life....would u go to a hospital or a graveyard????????

    Or per say a famous musician....would you go to a landfill or maybe a museum???? Just sayiinnnnnn
    I have often asked this question of those that claim evolution has no basis in reality. After trying to explain to them how they are misunderstanding evolution, they will often link or post information they pulled from some ID or creationist website to support their POV.
    I ask, if I want to know about Jesus, should I ask a scientist? If not, why do you go to a fundamentalist Christian to learn about evolution? I usually don't get any responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindphuk View Post
    I have often asked this question of those that claim evolution has no basis in reality. After trying to explain to them how they are misunderstanding evolution, they will often link or post information they pulled from some ID or creationist website to support their POV.
    I ask, if I want to know about Jesus, should I ask a scientist? If not, why do you go to a fundamentalist Christian to learn about evolution? I usually don't get any responses.
    i would speak to someone who doesnt let something like religion get in the way of their view of natural selection, or over time what we call evolution. its happening as we speak, theyve recently found an electric catfish in the congo river, so fuck whoever says thats blasphemy because thats solid evidence. it happens when a species faces extinction, the force known as natural selection takes place when numbers get small, its almost as if nature is directly connected to everything around it. darwin proved it with the evolving shape of a birds beak, to get food it needed a longer beak to be able to reach into tree trunks and feed. theres not much explanation for it, but this is where id expect someone to say "god did it!", but instead they deny another fact about the way life goes. congrats to anyone who can believe their bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedMelodyMindBender View Post
    Never said it was wrong m8, just highly not idea place. I mean this place has the attention span of a 8 year old with adhd. Your not gonna get anything of merit or relative to merit.

    Cannabis Users are a wide realm I get that yes. But I would like to think when your sick and you need advice, you go to a Dr. and not the homeless wisemen down the road. But, to each their own.

    Its mostly a poke of fun, if your remove it from context, well then it can be whatever you would like it to be. I mean he asked why I believed in what I believed in and I told him the skittles riddle Don't take my post to heart. Its comical advice, do what ya will with it

    Again, like I said, I didn't say to not pick and probe the community with religious question. I recommended he chill and hinted that its just not the ideal place to ask such questions.

    Go to church and ask??? Might be an ideal place to start....certainly better than a canna forum.

    I mean if you want to know about a certain dr in life....would u go to a hospital or a graveyard????????

    Or per say a famous musician....would you go to a landfill or maybe a museum???? Just sayiinnnnnn
    Perhaps if someone wanted to write a paper on the subject, cannabis forums wouldn't be the best place, but for a cannabis user who is trying to satisfy idle curiosity and express frustration, I think this place has a lot to offer. We are talking about a very common belief that is shared by most of our peers and ancestors, and also a very common subject that intrigues people when they are stoned. I myself have learned more about religion here than anywhere else or any other time in my life, and a good deal of what I have learned has come from people who believe differently than I do. Even though most of the information is located on other sites, it is the conversations here which drove me to learn. I happen to be quite proud of the little community we have in this sub-forum, and feel we have some valuable insight to share. I personally welcome questions on subjects like these and do not discount responses simply because the person likely uses cannabis. I realize you are trying to be light hearted and I of course have no problem with your conduct, just the sentiment that someone should feel silly for asking this question here, or not expect to get thoughtful answers. Many of us here are honestly trying to communicate and put effort into our replies.

    Sending someone curious about the mechanics of religion to a church to ask the worshipers why they believe is a bit like going to an asylum and asking the patients why they are crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drive View Post
    Why I believe what I believe and can you prove it. I believe that there is a GOD but it is nothing like the bible explains. GOD is not an appeaser. GOD does not grant wishes. GOD does not care if you believe or not. I know this because one of GODs represenatives told me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo420 View Post
    If he looked like this guy it was your imagination
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    any picture you put up to represent "GOD" is part of your imagination, everyone sees a different one due to culture although, flying spaghetti monster seems the most realistic, but thats my opinion of course hahaha.
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    crazyhazy, while you make some points in your op that are indisputable empirically, i think they're are some flaws in logic.

    while there are many people who claim to "know" what God wants us to do based on reading what are some very old texts, indeed, this does not mean that those books were necessarily written for that purpose. Nor is it of any value (for argument's sake) that these religious texts are very old.

    In my opinion, the purpose of the religious text is to provide a space for spiritual meditation or the contemplative pose. By and large, the world's religions preach similar primary messages: Love each other, take care of each other, and be happy. Many eastern religions focus this through the lens of divesting yourself of desire which, in western terms, means getting away from materialism. If one reads these texts--the vedas, the upanishads, the mahabarata, the bhagvad-gita, the bible (in all its incarnations), the tora and talmud, the koran, the writings of great religious leaders and philosophers--it can offer great instruction on how to approach, how to formulate and maintain, an existence in which love, peace, justice, and happiness are maximal.

    I agree that many institutionalizations of these messages have fallen to the corruption which always becomes possible when power structures are invested in those institutions. what this means, i think, in short response to your op, is that the problem is not with the religion itself, but with the churches, mosques, temples, etc.

    I think there is an instructive Buddhist vis-a-vis Hindu principle that you will find enlightening and agreeable: Do not believe anything that does not make sense to you. or, contrariwise, believe only that which makes sense to you.

    NOW, the whole bit of searching for proof in all this, well, you will never find that. there is no proof. that is why these become matters of faith and debate. We can sit on and argue endlessly about the merits of rationale, emotion, spirituality; we can go back and forth on moral conundra forever; we can approach philosophical questions from diverse vantage points and still resolve nothing. Thats, in my suspicion, part of the fun of being a human being. God, or whatever you want to call the primordial force of the universe, had a pretty good sense of humor when he started the evolution of man on earth: now there's a whole big faction of our species that does nothing but sit around and argue about what our purpose in existence is when it has never changed: be happy.

    my two cents

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    above I say "what God wants us to do"... I think, upon reflecting, God doesn't "want" us to do anything, as God doesn't want. So, it is better to formulate the discussion through the language of our purpose. I believe that was a clear point covered above: our purpose is to be happy. The hard part is figuring out the "how" of that "being happy," because it is subjective--specialized, if you'd like to euphemize--
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