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    Quote Originally Posted by eye exaggerate View Post
    ...all religions meet at a point. And with a strong atheist worldview I don't know if you can mix and match In my opinion it is the people that boast which make for poor attitudes about religion. As a catholic I don't have much appreciation for those particular christians. The thing is, non-christian people of certain descents have the same 'nose in the air' attitude as the christian ones. To me, that is proof of the religion itself being less to blame than the people who peruse its message.
    Quote Originally Posted by eye exaggerate View Post
    ...yes, for sure. And, there are also 4 main points in the Bible (and other holy books) which will always be the same. A more modern take on that comes from the Myers-Briggs test, as an example. I think that the thoughts of that day shaped (or cladded, really) an undercurrent that has always been there - and will likely always be there.
    Quote Originally Posted by eye exaggerate View Post
    ...lol, it seems to be a theme

    Well, think of a tree or other 'common' objects...think of any thing that is always there for every single person on the planet. Sunrise, sunset...you get it.

    There are thoughts in the whole of man as a race - aka collective consciousness. These thoughts are like those 'common' objects. All people will have the same base thoughts, and the rest comes from experiences that make up the person's personality. In the holy books there are allegories that people will understand no matter what year it is.
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    Why I believe what I believe and can you prove it. I believe that there is a GOD but it is nothing like the bible explains. GOD is not an appeaser. GOD does not grant wishes. GOD does not care if you believe or not. I know this because one of GODs represenatives told me

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    Quote Originally Posted by drive View Post
    Why I believe what I believe and can you prove it. I believe that there is a GOD but it is nothing like the bible explains. GOD is not an appeaser. GOD does not grant wishes. GOD does not care if you believe or not. I know this because one of GODs represenatives told me
    I too know a representative of god, hes quite a trip. Are you talking about a shaman?

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    Mine has come to me in my mind. though he has friends in nature

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    I believe very firmly that organised religion is the singular most dangerous threat to mankinds freedom-having said that I really dont care what you belive as long as you do not attempt to convert me or base a government upon your chosen creed.At which piont I will add-"I may not agree with what you say-but I will defend to the death your right to say it.(I will add a caveat here)As long as your comments cause no harm to be done to another!"People-we are all looking for the great answer-well most of us-for some its the choice not to believe while others dedicate there lives to a chosen diety or path.I dropped the great god out of my life and chose my path many years ago.I choose to live..my way.But-I will add this-I may not believe inb God per se-but I do believe there is absolute good and there is absolute evil and in many cases we make the chioce becuase I believe we are all born with the inherite knowledge of what right or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Growman3001 View Post
    Well of course you have your minority...

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    Most people choose a religion because they actually believe what is being feed to them...

    "knockoff religions" are created by members of an earlier religion that no longer believed everything the original religion told them. So they edit the religion to better suit their beliefs and then call it their own...

    If that is what you mean, then I agree with you...
    that was a better way to say, on point as well. +rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    The lack of mind control is actually the problem in virtually all cases. Lack of mental discipline. The heart of all these issues is the willingness to surrender the mind to ideas with no support. Accepting answers to questions which have none, and pretending they must be right. In most cases, the problem can be distilled down to the inability or unwillingness to think. It's that simple. Not to say a thinking man must be atheist, but if a person is truly conscientious there is rarely a problem no matter their beliefs.
    i mean mind control as in they're controlling their minds, but you make an excellent point there. those who accept things without proof lack the mental discipline, i will only believe in things that truly exist, if theres no real evidence of it then i believe theres no fact to be drawn from it. i think you should be your own priest, dont let someone tell you things they cannot prove and simply take their word because a majority of people do. its tragic that this mental weakness still exists in the 21st century, im sure many philosophers from the past would have extpected us to abolish religion by now, if you look in hind sight nothing good comes of it(yes, they do donate and stuff but that money is given to them, they pocket lots of it too im sure). even china doesnt allow christianity, they know its a scam and confronted it before it took control of their nation, and leeched off of their economy like it does ours. some people cannot see through religion like others can, its like telling a guy he has an ugly girlfriend, but denies it because he's so used to her, yes beauty is opinionated but you see my point. you cant drive a mile in america without seeing a church, especially down south. hospitals and schools should replace all churches, thats all wasted space if you ask me. churches never taught anyone anything, if anything it makes you less intelligent if you listen to the things that the bible tells you. after all, dinosaurs never existed and the world 2000 years old right? and carbon dating is all the work of the devil. i think its hysterical how some people can blindly believe this shit and not question it one bit, its the same reason people listened to hitler, fear. thats all it is.(not meaning to take MixedMelodyMindBender's example, just a coincidence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by drive View Post
    Mine has come to me in my mind. though he has friends in nature
    lay off the acid buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    Of course not. I've seen dogs save kittens from a swimming pool before.

    You do not need religion to tell you to be nice, but reading knowledge from 100 generations ago and from several continents helps me feel connected to our ancestors helps me live a frame of mind where I view myself as one with the you, God, and the Universe.
    that sounds like a picture on a calendar or something, amazing how even animals have sympathy. or maybe he was hungry...?
    and i fully support your view, i would say read as much as you can and learn from everything you come across, but take everything into account before believing. we are all connected, i dont know much about string theory but i do believe our minds have some sort of connection, like the 6th sense of someone watching you. theres no scientific proof for that, but maybe one day we will figure out why, maybe we put off certain smells or some sort of telepathic wave that travels from brain to brain. like i was saying earlier, the mind is the most amazing thing in the world yet people decide to not use it. who knows what lies in the depths of your mind, its all mystery to me. id say the most interesting thing would be the pinneal gland, but theres so much more to know about how our mind functions. exercise that muscle we call our brain, it will pay off one day. any knowledge is beneficial, a wider view is always better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    Which is why I think people need to have their own thoughts.

    But thinking outside the box doesn't mean you can't revere and honor the box.
    my point exactly, hold what you believe to yourself, dont put it upon other either. there is good things in this hypothetical box, but i believe you should try to interpret the verses in as many ways as possible, whatever one seems morally justified would be better, so you do require outside beliefs if you truly want to use religion the way it was made to be used; to keep people in line, morality wise.
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