How Do We Eradicate Religion From Modern Society?

i get mad religous when i hear 'jesus walks' by kanye...and thats about it lol.

Originally Posted by Hepheastus420

At one moment you can't say but he doesn't exist and then at the next say but if he did. Anyway once again how is it comforting?

Originally Posted by Filthy Phil

Oh my goodness... This is rediculous. FIRST one reason we dislike the religious is because they push themselves where they arent wanted. Take this thread for example, we wanted to dis,uss how to get rid of you guys, the religious. This wasnt an in invitation for a bunch of christians to come in and explain to us why we should like you. Know where you arent wanted. We have the debate going now so I guess its tooo late, but you guys totally misdirected this thread.

SECONDLY the idea of heaven is comforting in the very least because its an answer. Uncertainty is much more difficult than even a wrong answer. Thats why when someone is hysterical you tell them any thing to calm them down, something like "dont worry little girl, your parents died but they are in a better place now, a perfect place...blah blah blah."

Thirdly, do you really think that our current world resembles one that is free of religion? You dont think it would be a different world without you guys, one where we can study stem cells, not harrass women who decide to terminate pregnanies, not carry a rediculous stance in the middle east so as to fulfill biblical rapture prophecies, a world where africa isnt as fucked by aids because the fucking pope said rubbers are illegal, a.world where perverts and child mollesters have one less place to hide, a world without religiously instigated war. Hows this sound, go to fucking jerusalem or beirut and explain to the people there how their world would be completely the same without religion. This is ludicrous.

On a psychological level, there is an inability amongst the religious to accept falsities because the implications it would have on how they lived their life would be too severe. Thats why so often information hits their head and bounces right off, because the implications are so severe.that it is infinitely easier to not recognize it. .Of all the negative things going on in the world, so many of them are due to religion. It is the bane of our existance. Somone befor mentioned that if we got rid of religion it would be like china...an d while china is pretty lame on multiple levela, they are seeing some of the most amazing growths in history. Why? Because they got fucking realistic... Why dont y'all?

aww man i forgot to add the whole isreal and biblical apocalypse thing to my list earlier. thats another HUGE issue in the world that would not exist if it werent for religion. the palestine/isreal/pakistan situation is crazy. now pakistan is building a bunch of nuclear weapons with our money. oh joy!

Originally Posted by Luger187

why cant i? its just a hypothetical
heaven is comforting because you feel that life doesnt end after death. you think you will continue on in the afterlife in heaven. this can be comforting if you are miserable or just dont feel good. or if you are on your deathbed, you dont get scared because its not the end



yes i know you think that your actions can be seen by god. what im saying is why would he care? its like bacteria in a petri dish, except on a MUCH smaller scale.
what gives you the idea that he is doing this? what tells you that he is watching over us? what makes it true to you?

god doesnt exist to me because the universe gives me no reason to believe he does. sure the universe is an amazing place with lots of mystery, and we dont have all the answers. but that doesnt mean its okay to just make up some bullshit about how theres this god that somehow created the universe and he cares about YOU specifically. aww thats nice, i bet it makes you feel warm. its all fake nonsense that uses human emotion and lack of understanding to keep people in.

the only thing the religious have to defend their beliefs is their holy books, which is just sad to me, really. theres no reason to believe what that book says is true(with the exception of the people and names of towns but thats not really evidence of anything other than humans wrote it), but they believe it anyways. you can also see humanistic qualities all over the bible. god is angry, vengeful, giving, a bully, plays tricks on people for no real purpose, etc.

im gonna post this again. you have to refute all this scientific data with legitimate evidence. good luck oly let me know when you have your evidence compiled together

That was sweeet! You know how sometimes you have a feeling that can be difficult to decribe adequately, and then someone says it pretty much perfectly
Yeah, that just happened.

Originally Posted by Luger187

why cant i? its just a hypothetical
heaven is comforting because you feel that life doesnt end after death. you think you will continue on in the afterlife in heaven. this can be comforting if you are miserable or just dont feel good. or if you are on your deathbed, you dont get scared because its not the end



yes i know you think that your actions can be seen by god. what im saying is why would he care? its like bacteria in a petri dish, except on a MUCH smaller scale.
what gives you the idea that he is doing this? what tells you that he is watching over us? what makes it true to you?

god doesnt exist to me because the universe gives me no reason to believe he does. sure the universe is an amazing place with lots of mystery, and we dont have all the answers. but that doesnt mean its okay to just make up some bullshit about how theres this god that somehow created the universe and he cares about YOU specifically. aww thats nice, i bet it makes you feel warm. its all fake nonsense that uses human emotion and lack of understanding to keep people in.

the only thing the religious have to defend their beliefs is their holy books, which is just sad to me, really. theres no reason to believe what that book says is true(with the exception of the people and names of towns but thats not really evidence of anything other than humans wrote it), but they believe it anyways. you can also see humanistic qualities all over the bible. god is angry, vengeful, giving, a bully, plays tricks on people for no real purpose, etc.

im gonna post this again. you have to refute all this scientific data with legitimate evidence. good luck oly let me know when you have your evidence compiled together

IMO you make it seem that just because we believe in god we must be inferior to you. Go smoke a bowl and chill out. Besides we don't have to prove anything to you. It's up to you if you want to believe or not. You chose not to believe so just leave it at that. Once again we don't claim that we have evidence. You can say we don't think rationally when it comes to religion, but honestly we don't care. Anyway you can't act like you know how the world workms when you don't have any idea how the first matter was created. But if you want to ask us for evidence then we should ask you for evidence. So then Luger, let me know when you have your evidence compiled together.

i would have to agree with you bro. it is funny when i ask them for some evidence or what they think of major atheists within our history and all they do is ignore it or say something stupid...

I have known since the first time i engaged with these type of atheist, notice how i say these atheists', as most other atheists out there hate these type of atheists, just as some religions hate other religions, so atheism is a form of religion... they have the same demeanor and agenda that other hatred driven "religious nut jobs" have, although they will ignore that fact by saying that "they are men of science and nothing more". I mean like, does no one else see their hypocrisy?

Originally Posted by Hepheastus420

IMO you make it seem that just because we believe in god we must be inferior to you. Go smoke a bowl and chill out. Besides we don't have to prove anything to you. It's up to you if you want to believe or not. You chose not to believe so just leave it at that. Once again we don't claim that we have evidence. You can say we don't think rationally when it comes to religion, but honestly we don't care. Anyway you can't act like you know how the world workms when you don't have any idea how the first matter was created. But if you want to ask us for evidence then we should ask you for evidence. So then Luger, let me know when you have your evidence compiled together.

you are the bullfrog of this video,

Originally Posted by Filthy Phil

That was sweeet! You know how sometimes you have a feeling that can be difficult to decribe adequately, and then someone says it pretty much perfectly
Yeah, that just happened.

hey hep, check this out, funny how these guys use jim jones for example of religious "nut job" when he himself was an atheist, and check this list out..

please, luger, when you offer the evidence to justify these peoples actions, i will answer anything you want the way you want it,


Alfred Kinsey


Alfred Kinsey was an infamous American biologist and professor of entomology and zoology, who made groundbreaking research on human sexuality. Undoubtedly, he helped to progress social values – but, nevertheless, he took sadistic pleasure out of his research, and did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex. Moreover, much of his research was fraud.


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Napoleon Bonaparte


Many people agree that Napoleon Bonaparte, heavily involved in the anti-clerical French Revolution, was atheist – he claimed that “all religions have been made by men”. He was one of the best ever military commanders, and conquered much of Europe. He staged a coup and declared himself Emperor. While he ended anarchy in post-Revolution France, many considered him a tyrant and usurper. He ignored treaties and conventions, seeking undisputed rule throughout Europe. He plundered conquered territories. His 17 years of rule resulted in the bankruptcy of France, loss of many of her territories, six million dead Europeans and economic setback in just one generation.


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Than Shwe


Than Shwe is the 77 year old dictator of Myanmar/Burma, the head of the ruling military junta. He has overseen the formation of one of the most closed societies in the world. There is no notion of free press, and journalists who opposed his regime are detained. Aung Suu Kyi, the leader of the main opposition party, is kept in house detention by him. Civil servants are forbidden from resigning. Burma has the highest rate of child soldiers in the world, and uses forced labor on construction projects. As far as dictators go, Than Shwe keeps a relatively low, and even sullen, profile. Nevertheless, he reportedly leads an extravagant lifestyle, while his people continue to suffer a life of extreme poverty and natural disasters. In the aftermath of Cyclone Nargis, he refused entry into the country for many foreign aid organizations.


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Kim Jong Il


Kim Jong-Il is the de facto leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and responsible for the deaths of four million of his fellow Koreans. He is also at the heart of a bizarre personality cult; apocryphal stories such as how “at the time of his birth there were flashes of lightening and thunder, the iceberg in the pond on Mt. Paektu emitted a mysterious sound as it broke, and bright double rainbows rose up” are abundant. Those caught stealing food in the famine-struck nation, or attempting to cross the borders, are subject to public execution. Kim is continuing his lavish lifestyle and military obsession in spite of the crumbling economy. In North Korea he and his father are deified, considered saviors of the whole universe. 250,000 dissidents are confined to “re-education camps”. He has waged a war on South Korea that involved assassinating South Korean leaders and blowing up South Korean planes. He presents a great threat to the world in terms of nuclear warfare, having persuaded the Soviet Union to award him a nuclear reactor in 1984.


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Jeffrey Dahmer


Jeffrey Dahmer, an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”. He brutally killed seventeen men and boys, dismembering them, storing their parts and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia. In 1991, he was caught by the police after one of his would-be victims escaped. Despite pleading not guilty on the basis on insanity, the court found him sane and fully accountable. He later expressed remorse.







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Jim Jones


Jim Jones drew people into atheism through the People’s Temple, largely based in California. He said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. In 1978, 909 people at the restricted communist “sanctuary” he presided over in Jonestown, Guyana, committed “revolutionary suicide” at his command. This occurred after the arrival of an American delegation, which he claimed was conspiring against the People’s Temple. Men, women and children took a vial of cyanide and died within five minutes. Only a few people escaped. This event was the largest single loss of American civilian life, in a non-natural disaster, up until 9/11. This entry has the unique status of being on both the atheism and Christianity list. The reason is that the majority of people considered Jones to be the leader of a type of Christian cult, but, as the quote above illustrates, it was really a ruse to attract people who would otherwise have steered well clear of him.


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Benito Mussolini


Mussolini is notorious for his war crimes as a Fascist dictator during World War II. As a young man he openly declared his atheism, and in his early career as a politician was openly anti-clerical. He was the Italian leader of the National Fascist Party, became Prime Minister in 1922 and was eventually a dictator who severely restricted freedom of speech. Mussolini supported Hitler’s conquest of Austria. In 1935, he invaded Ethiopia, using poison gas, bombing Red Cross hospitals and concentration camps to kill civilians and destroy “inferior” cultures. He ordered the execution of prisoners without trial and the shooting of “witch-doctors”. Italian troops used public executions, hostage taking and burning of villages to crush the Slavic population of Yugoslavia. These acts are now widely considered an attempt at genocide. However, later he tried to associate Fascism with Catholicism in order to garner dwindling support (however his widow made it clear that he was still staunchly atheist). Mussolini was also deeply anti-Semitic.


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Mao Zedong


Mao Zedong led the Communist Party of China to victory in the Chinese Civil War, helping to establish the People’s Republic of China. He had ambitions for a strong China, but his programs largely failed altogether. He has been blamed for the death of between 20 and 67 million of his “comrades”. Under his insane rule there was a culture akin to anarchy, that killed the economy and industrial production. His “Great Leap Forward” triggered a catastrophic and massive famine. However, he is most notorious for the precepts of the “Cultural Revolution”, which led to perhaps the greatest era of cultural vandalism the world has ever known. Antiques, historical sites, artifacts, ancient documents, feng shui traditions, Chinese traditional dresses and monasteries were destroyed for being associated with the “old ways of thinking”. Many copies of the Qu’ran were burnt. Red Guard groups around the country destroyed political and educational stability, criticizing anyone who considered himself superior, destroying reputations and lives. Mao, privately, led a life of great deviancy and excess. He also exacted revenge on all those, mainly intellectuals and professionals, who had disgraced Mao in his earlier career. He also targeted anyone with links to the Chinese Nationalist Party as well as anyone who posed a threat to him. Five million were executed in death camps. 36 million were persecuted and tortured. There were even instances of cannibalism.


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Pol Pot


Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and Prime Minister of Cambodia from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism, where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety by singling out all intellectuals, and other “bourgeois enemies”, for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields, and the executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks. His attempts to “cleanse” the country resulted in the deaths of 1.7 to 2.5 million people. He also had an intense dislike of anyone with the semblance of being intelligent, such as those who wore glasses or who spoke another language.


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Joseph Stalin


Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee, from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.

N.B. Adolf Hitler is left off this list because it is widely acknowledged that, while he abhorred organized religion, there is much evidence that he engaged in “nazi mysticism” or occultism.

Originally Posted by olylifter420

i would have to agree with you bro. it is funny when i ask them for some evidence or what they think of major atheists within our history and all they do is ignore it or say something stupid...

I have known since the first time i engaged with these type of atheist, notice how i say these atheists', as most other atheists out there hate these type of atheists, just as some religions hate other religions, so atheism is a form of religion... they have the same demeanor and agenda that other hatred driven "religious nut jobs" have, although they will ignore that fact by saying that "they are men of science and nothing more". I mean like, does no one else see their hypocrisy?

What do you need evidence for? Unless your questioning your own beliefs, which is perfectly understandable. Your beliefs by thier very nature don't require any evidence. Let alone evidence for something you don't believe in. I don't believe in hoaxed moon landings, therefore I defenitly don't go to moon landing conspiracy forums and participate in how to eradicate the belief that we landed on the moon threads. Why would I waste a min of my life on something I don't believe?