MY PERCEPTION IS WRONG ? To who, you? Well thats great buddy, each to his own. So you think man's evolution is all good, proper and great do you? Just take a look around, just for a second. Wow, is has been accepted throughout known time, so lets just stick with that shall we, get comfortable in that little rut thats so easy to do?

When you say, we kill one thing, so why not just kill another, to me that speaks voumes about your inner self, which in no way am I or have I tried to personallu attack, please believe that.

But its not a very wise statement, plants, herbs and veges do not walk around, have a will of thier own or as far as I can tell express that they can feel pain. Animals on the other hand do and my problem with it is when we have these slaughter houses we (man) are expressing our will over anothers that I do not agree with. I don't think if any animal knew it was about to get killed, would simply walk into that slaughter house, bow down and wait for its head to be chopped off, and its guts to be ripped out, do you, really ? Simple enough for you ?

When have I ever said I am better than a meat eater (looks through) um, no, nowhere. I think perhaps your perception may be flawed on that one.

I don't want to say that because I see things from a more compassionate point of view that I am more spiritual than you are, but perhaps more evolved (learned) in relation to the connectedness (is that even a word) that all living beings have with one another, it is, undeniable.

If it makes you happy to call me a hyprocrite, so be it and I'll love you all the more (unconditionally) for expressing your will and attitude.

Peace Brother

In Regards to men being more powerful, therefor we should prey and eat the weaker, well, hell why not just eat other humans? Animals eat other animals of the same type, right ?

I don't have a feeling of superiority either, just a different view and outlook to yours. When did I say anything about superiorty, your the only one mentioning it, thanks. LOL, just kidding.

Peace to you as well my man

Very insightful, cheers.

Yes, amazing isnt it ! Amazing that men have the choice to kill, whereas animals (I feel) do it more out of subconcious impulse for a yearning to survive or protect.

Ok then Mr food Chain, lets see you go out and slaughter your next cow that you have on your Maccas burger, well? Oh no its easier to to pay someone to do it for you, huh? Amazing food chain these days, really and trully amazing

If that story is true, whats your damn point. It was a wolf, I am talking about humans and thier spirits here. Is anyone else talking about wolves?

I see what your saying about things having a nature of thier own, and it's perhaps not wise to try and interfere with that nature, but my friend....we have CHOICES and we dictate or nature, be it good or bad. We must not forget that our environmental surroundings (friends family and so on) also have a big effect on our nature but the mere fact that we can see that, is what makes us hugely different from the rest of nature.

Have a nice day bud

are we really any different than the wolves? our minds enable us to survive when our frail bodies fail us, but otherwise we are we are of the same predatory nature. though we may over complicate our world with metaphysical nonsense and airy fantasies concerning invisible creatures; we are still a part of nature and one of our roles is to kill and devour, just as our final role is to die and become the feast. though we have the choice of how we kill, kill we must.


by the way:
the story is actually true; though, in all honesty, the dog in question had already been killed by a passing motorist.

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Exactly, just as we devour vegetation, it will one day devour us... on and on and on.

Animals on farms are 'farmed' for the purpose of food. If not for the purpose of food the cows would not exist.

You think animals are different to plants, this is not life being one. If you've never communicated with a plant how do you know it does not feel? And what of the germs that eat us from the inside out? Should we not have compassion for those too.

Yes man evolved to where it is, where YOU are today through eating meat. the day we started sucking marrowbone from left-over kills like dogs, is when we first gained the brain power necessary to become the number 1 species on the planet.

You want to feel sorry for a dumb cow? What do you want to do, set them all free? They'd die, and die out. Simple as that. They're only here because we need them for food. They haven't got the entertainment value to make it to the zoo.

Fair enough Brothers, point taken, accepted and respected.

Thanks heaps for your input, it has been both informative and entertaining.

Peace to you both and to all out there.

Does this mean you're going to visit a Macdonalds now? ha ha ha.

just kidding.

Peace to you too... a difference of opinion is always something worth getting excited about, imo.

Man I love maccas, always have. I just ask for the burgers without meat. Sure sometimes I have to repeat myself to the stupid box, but meh.

Each to his own ay Skunky

What you seem to fail to understand is that if we stop eating animals in this vegetarian manner as a society the animals will then become useless to the farmers and then as a logical progression in a money and power dominated land what exactly is it that you think all the farmers will do with their previously live stocked land?

Eventually once the farmers have sold the land that once held animals or grown vegetables in it there will be no room for the animals that we once ate.
The only reason that these animals are not extinct is because we do eat them.

Do you really believe that if we all stopped eating animals that they would just be allowed to roam free and breed till they were out of control?
Nope so once again they would at the least have to be culled so in essence nothing has changed as the animals are still being killed except this time they are being killed and just wasted as no one is allowed to eat them or use their hides.

I appreciate the fact that you are full of empathy and kindness but you must realize that the proposals that you make will only lead to these animals extinction and the selling off of the farmers lands and even more disgusting polluting city's popping up on the once green land that is kept green and beautiful by the farmers and their animals that we eat.

You need to accept the circle of life and if you want to do something good or appeal to people appeal their sense of decency so that farmed animals are treated properly and given a proper and non abusive life before they are humanely slaughtered.

You should be fighting for animals rights to live in a free range environment and them not having to waddle about in their own piss and shit until their feet are burning of.

Or the disgusting treatment of pigs who are highly intelligent and regularly abused in intensive farming schemes packed in so solid they can hardly move around at all whilst also standing in their own feces and being kicked and punched and prodded with tazer like staffs to get then to move more quickly in the intended direction.

Anyway i am sure all of your intentions are very good but really you need to rethink your position and the harsh reality's of our world.

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