My problem with Christianity - Page 4

Prophecy · #31 07-25-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by indianride

Are there any sincere Christians on this thread? Everything man attempts to do, no matter how sincere, is marred by human nature. Denomination and creed etc. are human systems designed to direct hearts and minds to Christ. I don't deny the sincerity of most of thees groups. I do, however, argue the abillity of man to know "absolute" truth. Even in Christianity, which is the only way by which man can be saved.... We as humans will always be searching for a purer understanding of faith.

I could go into detail that would sicken manny on this forum... But, I hope that, in an attempt to establish an "open" mind, we don't close our minds to Christian teachings completely or out of convenience.

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Well said.

EarthlyPassions · #32 07-25-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UncleSunny

...they forget that no man can know the mind of God. Maybe God made us all differently because he knew how to talk to each one of us in our own way, and maybe that's the way he wants it.

I don't know that answer; no one does. One of my favorite quotes from the gospels is John 3:12 where this guy Nicodemus is asking Jesus about the rewards in the next life, and Jesus says,: "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

It's like so many Christians are focused on when they get to die and meet Jesus in person at that Country Club in the Sky, rather than finding the pieces of Heaven that are here on Earth. They don't seem to want to make peace with others, unless that peace is a form of assimilation from others.

I've had a lot of the same problems, even to a point of actually turning from God as a show of how exasperated I was with the hypocrisy of the Christian Religion.
I think you've kept a good grip of the core values though, through your own intelligence and determination.
I don't have my Bible with me, but back when I was struggling to reconcile my sexuality and my religion, I found a great verse that mentioned that a good follower should never be afraid to study the word and come away with their own understanding.
Some great (not bible) books that talk a lot about the darker facets of Christianity, and how to reconcile yourself to your religion despite those things are:
The Screwtape Letters, by C.S. Lewis, is a great read done in a narration style through letters back and forth between two demons whom tempt humans into straying off the path.
One of the most mentioned methods is to encourage a 'double-life' in the 'client'. So that, while they are pious and loving their neighbor in church, they refuse to allow 'riff-raff' into their lunch party. Based, of course, on the 'un-Christian' lifestyle the lead raising a child as a single parent.

Actually, I'll recommend any of C.S. Lewis's works, he made a great number of very insightful books on similar subjects. (You can skip Narnia if you'd like, lol.)

I Love God, It's Christians I Can't Stand, I don't know the author, but they highlight a lot of bad habits the the Christian Community has developed, why they're wrong, and how it could be fixed or improved. A good book for scanning and chuckling at the honesty within.

mexiblunt · #33 07-28-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Moragrifa

I really enjoyed reading that, bro.

I love reading literature on religion or Christianity when the writer is educated on the topic.

You're title was just offending enough to make a Christian think, "WTF does this heathen think about my religion!??!" :P

"It's just that I fear people who believe in something without questioning constantly, and I get frustrated when I hear people use a book made to bring people together, in a way that separates us and justifies the institutions of dogma and exclusion. "
-Best part IMO

I pretend to have blind faith in the company of my friends and especially my hardcore Christian mother, but I doubt the crap out of it all the time... secretly. I have concluded that I do believe in Christianity and I'm allowed to doubt it, because humans aren't perfect and all that jazz. Bible says it, must be true.
I have observed that most people with a very logical and down-to-earth personality aren't Christians. I think that people with personalities like that can't see past the fact that it cannot be explained. While other people (Exactly like my mother) are completely fine with being oblivious. I tested this theory once. I asked my mom if she knew how a basic tungsten filament light bulb works. She said "No!" I said "How about an internal combustion engine, or a toilet tank?" She replied, "No and no" Then, I asked, "Would you like me to tell you how?" she replied with, "No, I'm busy, Lifetime is on." My mom is not ignorant at all, she just doesn't care. I'm the opposite way, I can't do or use something without wondering exactly how it works. The more of that trait is in you, the less you faith you will have or none at all...

What your mom does including watching lifetime are all part of what makes her and in turn what raised you? taught you? What if she reversed the question and asked would you like to watch lifetime with me? Sounds like she's a "faithfull veiwer".

SmokinUp · #34 07-30-2008, 01:41 PM

I myself am a Christian, and I agree that Christians can often times be the most judgemental people around. The other day I was playing some hoops with my neighbor and my cousin pulls up and has the nerve to ask why the heck are you associating yourself with him. My response to him was "why are your being so judgemental of someone you don't even know", and to make him feel bad I even said "Would Jesus make that kind of comment". So yeah I can agree that a lot of Christians or people of any faith for that matter can be real hypocrites. I do however believe in God and practice my faith daily, but I don't let it change who I am and what I do because that would make me fake. I have been smoking weed now for about 16 years and nobody has ever known except for a very few select friends(including my wife who is a PK) who I trust. Due to that the people at church have never had a reason to judge me, but I don't doubt for a second that if some of them knew I smoked up they would probably act differently around me and who knows they may even go as far as trying to get me in trouble or tell me I need to get help. The way I look at it is what they don't know can't hurt them or me. I practice my faith and live my life the same as them so what make them any different just because I smoke weed.

EarthlyPassions · #35 08-01-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinUp

except for a very few select friends(including my wife who is a PK)

What is a PK?

slu2 · #36 09-07-2008, 01:57 PM

I've said this before on here, and I'll say it again.

People say religion is the responsible factors in most of our wars, and I will say that is true. However with so much religion out there, it is obvious that it isn't one particular religion responsible for war.

Pigmy tribes with their traditions, aboriginal tribes with traditions and what would be considered by a dictionary definition as "religion". Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, Pagans of old, etc..

All of those people have comitted some abominable crime against another human in mass group participation based on religion or traditions..

So I say it's not religion that is the problem necessarily, it is humans.

Now I do admit that there are some fundamental problems with orthodox religion and dogma. Such as blind faith, and an irresponsible call-to-duty.
But it doesn't take ane particular religion for humans to want to be lead by other humans.

I made this video: Cannabis and Religion part 1

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