Let's Talk About Freedom

dirtyal1223 · #1 10-04-2007, 03:05 PM

True freedom. Not that fake shit that the US gov't (and others) makes you think you have. Freedom to not have to worry about money, possessions, or danger. Or is freedom still just an idea?

Chiceh · #2 10-04-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyal1223

True freedom. Not that fake shit that the US gov't (and others) makes you think you have. Freedom to not have to worry about money, possessions, or danger. Or is freedom still just an idea?

Freedom is really becoming a thing of the past. If you subscribe to phone services on the net, or cell services on the net, there is no freedom.

Here in Canada I feel the freedom to a certain extent. I do have to watch out for weirdos and predators when it comes to my daughter, I lock my doors, have an alarm on the house etc.
Will we ever really be free though? That is the question.

preoQpydDlusion · #3 10-04-2007, 03:53 PM

it's all dominoes man, there is no freedom. that's the absolute truth

in terms of relative truth, freedom can be found within the mind. the cell phone contract does not keep you from being free, it's the unnecessary reliance you give to the phone that enslaves you

going back to the absolute truth, if you transcend the mind you can let go of the constant urge of trying to obtain and achieve. the lack of freedom you feel is also a product purposely created by the system of control you loathe. this discontentment is used to make you strive, which will almost always benefit the system

who says you're not free?

you think you cannot do what you want freely? is it possible you have been obsessed with that you cannot have?

within ten years i'm going to build a self-reliant commune with like-minded individuals.
no electricity or gas bills (solar energy; wind energy)
no water bills (self-contained system)
no house payments (build the house myself)
no property taxes (legal loopholes)
no money needed for groceries (self-reliant organic hydroponics and fishfarms)

tckfui · #4 10-04-2007, 03:59 PM

what is freedom really??? would we be alowed to do absoulutly anything we want? if so would it have to be free? so anybody would be free to do it?
what is your idea of real freedom?

Chiceh · #5 10-04-2007, 04:02 PM

There has to be some level of authority or else there would be mayhem. Everyone doing as they please cause they are "free".
What would the world become if there was total freedom?

tckfui · #6 10-04-2007, 04:26 PM

thered only be one person

... everyone who ever wanted to kill someone would... and than the dead peoples family would seek revenge by killing... and people would get robed... and than maybe there would be a few underground police like people who might do some stuff... and than get killed... untill there was only one person... maybe 50... al spread out over the world

haha... thats what I think would happen... pretty stupid... or is it?

preoQpydDlusion · #7 10-04-2007, 04:32 PM

the real thing to think about is what constitutes authority. there are tribes all over the world that exist peacefully without a "government"

dirtyal1223 · #8 10-04-2007, 04:48 PM

One idea is that different regions of the planet would accomodate different people's freedoms. Like one region would allow people to piss and shit in the streets and anyone who doesn't want that doesnt have to be there. The one problem with this is if someone wants to kill another human. There could be a region where you can kill robots that look like humans but thats about it.

ivebeencanceled · #9 10-04-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by preoQpydDlusion

within ten years i'm going to build a self-reliant commune with like-minded individuals.
no electricity or gas bills (solar energy; wind energy)
no water bills (self-contained system)
no house payments (build the house myself)
no property taxes (legal loopholes)
no money needed for groceries (self-reliant organic hydroponics and fishfarms)

Are you really planning on that?
Ive always dreamt of somthing like that.
It would be absolutly amazing for that to happen.

JohnnyPotSeed1969 · #10 10-05-2007, 12:35 AM

the more "civilized" and "advanced" our culture becomes, the farther we get from true freedom.

in 1820, your only responsibility was to your family, yourself and God. now you pay taxes, work a job you hate to pay bills you loathe. you do things just to survive and lose touch with the things that really matter as your are slowly desensitized to the things that actually matter in life.