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Old 11-04-2009, 02:31 AM
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Actually the latest polls suggest somewhere around 83% of americans call themselves Christians

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The percentage of believers among the scientific community has also stayed the same despite our increased knowledge in the theory of evolution and our increased general knowledge. 40% of scientists believed in God in 1916. 40% of scientists in 1997 also believed in God.
The percentage stayed the same and you focus on that, but what it says to me is that for the last 100 years educated scientists have been half as likely to believe in any form of god as non scientists. This despite probable indoctrination in their youth. They learned the god out of themselves is my take on it, because never can anyone convince another person he doesn't exist, that just doesn't happen.

Others held onto their beliefs despite pretty hefty evidence to the contrary both then and now.

Human nature doesn't change over time, not just 100 years, so the statistics you focus on thinking it's something in your favor actually should be the same and are meaningless.
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Hey everyone! I am still going to post the information that I had mentioned before and respond to people's comments. I have just been super busy and feeling quite lazy during my free time. I also just finished the majority of my first harvest so I am pretty excited about that. I have 11 ounces curing and about 5 more still drying. Unfortuanately, I have to sell most of it to upgrade me next grow and pay bills. Hope everyone is doing well!
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Hey everyone! I am still going to post the information that I had mentioned before and respond to people's comments. I have just been super busy and feeling quite lazy during my free time. I also just finished the majority of my first harvest so I am pretty excited about that. I have 11 ounces curing and about 5 more still drying. Unfortuanately, I have to sell most of it to upgrade me next grow and pay bills. Hope everyone is doing well!
Nice! Congrats on your grow dude!
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If you all havnt relized already, im an athiest. And i dont come by it lighty. I think about it pretty much everyday, its hard not too, if God exists and I choose to be an atheist, then that means when i die I am deliberately choosing torture for eternety, when the other option is to live forever in paradise, hevean.

Ofcourse i wish there was an all-knowing powerfull caring and loving creator that loves me, knows my path in life ( and every other 6 billion of us). But you have to know when to tell fact from fiction and this myth clearly. I know alot of people believe in god because they are affraid of death(like most of us are)

I dont know how people can believe all of these lies. I mean, if all the evidence you has is a man-written bible, i dont understand why im destined for hell just for not having faith and turning my life over to be a follower of god. I mean, its just common knowledge not to believe, i think. But clearly many think other wise.

(Jeremiah 32:17) Ah Lord GOD! You have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm, nothing is too hard for you.

If god really has power on the world, why do we face poverty, murder, war, flesh eating diseases, cancer, global warming, child abuse, dictatorship, racism and sexism, slavery.. the list goes on and on.
Why havnt any of these critical issues changed? Why hasnt god saved any of them?
You say you can talk to the guy, so i'd be interested to hear you think.

I could be wrong, but its my take on it all.

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very true, but think of it in a bigger picture, humans are very intelligent and are put on earth how? by random ? i dont think so, there must be a deity that controls the universe. maybe possibly there are high beings controlling difernt universes and galaxies. no one really knows, but what i know is there is a God. religions are all similiar and have no real author, there is too much evidence on this. watch this if you want http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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I don't believe eligion poisons everything.

May I be so bold as to risk getting my feet roasted off by the Catholic Church for proposing the following:

religion = myth ?

Is it possible to believe in both at the same time?

Some seem to make more sense when the the two words are exchanged in their text.

Do all Priests everywhere really believe the Inquisition will be forever over?
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I don't believe eligion poisons everything.

May I be so bold as to risk getting my feet roasted off by the Catholic Church for proposing the following:

religion = myth ?

Do all Priests everywhere really believe the inquisition is forever over?
Religion does poision everything because it is infectious. One person believes, has children, they believe, and they pass it down to the next generation when they have children. Christians knowing that children will believe anything they hear, even if its complete nonsence, make sure to drill their beliefs onto them while they are still young and beliving in other nonsence such as the existance of Santa, the tooth fairy etc.
Its a never ending cycle, but it can be stopped if children are given other options, and the right to choose.
Keeping children in religious schools away from these other options and science, is a forceful way to keep them on a leash and not know anything but what they have been told.
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Christians knowing that children will believe anything they hear, even if its complete nonsense, make sure to drill their beliefs onto them while they are still young.....
Its a never ending cycle, but it can be stopped if children are given other options.....
just who is it that should decide what information the young should hear, if not their parents? perhaps you would prefer that society steps in and indoctrinates our children, forbidding parents from introducing their offspring to anything that is not approved by the state. what would you like to see replace those lessons in morality that are inherent in most of our childhood religious teachings?

people believe a lot of crazy shit and they will inevitably hand down those beliefs to their children. this is a part of the price all children pay in an attempt to erase the debt they owe their parents for their very existence. throughout our childhoods we absorb the wisdom of our elders. the little truths, the misconceptions, the well intentioned hints at the miseries to come, and all those other bits and pieces of our parents are taken in and stored for later use. on leaving home we choose which of these bits and pieces to take to heart and which to throw away. there must be some need in those that choose to retain their religious upbringing. a need that only those fables can fill. you can't fill that hole by merely denying children access to religion.
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The simplest way to eliminate religion is not to mandate it out of peoples lives, but rather to just provide quality education in the public school system.

The more educated a person is the less likely they are to believe in gods, myths, and other nonsense.

Even with the poor budgeting allotted to schools, education through the internet, documentaries, and other science related programming has given kids an awareness of the world that just wasn't available even a generation ago.

Atheism isn't a blip or an aberration. It is the natural state of birth and with each passing day more people revert to it.
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I believe no amount of information will ever remove Myth from the human psyche.

New information can invalidate certain religious dogma but,

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what would you like to see replace those lessons in morality that are inherent in most of our childhood religious teachings?

you can't fill that hole by merely denying children access to religion.

I would like to see children learning evolution, science, and the beauty of nature for starters. Children learn the earth was created in 7 days, and basically that the earth is a waiting room until they die, to go to the real party, afterlife. They are not taught the magnificent truths about our planet, and how it actually came to be. Also how it is now being destroyed by people who think the world could end any day now, and have no thoughts for further in the future. I watched Jesus Camp the other day, the religious mother and son were commenting on a serious crisis we face global warming, stating they dont think it is actually a problem saying the temperature has only increased slightly in the past few years.
People cant think like this anymore period.

As for denying children "access" to religion, i can agree. But unfortunatly children are not allowed access, they are brainwashed at young ages. If people wanted to really give a human being a choice, they would wait until the person is old enough to not believe everything they hear, and have the abiltity to think for themselves, or atleast show the other options. But that hasnt happened and i doubt it will, because they know the likely hood of being tought the bible without any religious background, and not as a child, they would simply not belive such bullshit!
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