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Old 11-01-2009, 08:35 AM
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I don't understand why they think War, Rape, Murder, Greed, Misogny, Racism, and on and on to ad nauseaum, is going to disappear when Religion disappears, Or maybe just the Christian God, who is responsible for bringing these things into existence and will disappear once we cease to imaging God to exist,

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Then after the Christian God disappears, or which he doesn't really exist at all.., Then those who believed will be finally awakened to the gloriousness of truth that the non-believers had all the time., Not quite like the believers had before.., Then Man will know he answers to nothing but Man, and knowing only man's Rule and Law exist, then we can finally love and Help one another because we don't have the interference of an make believe God to decide what is moral, because we already do, Religion has been the poison of Man.., Not Man's on Deeds..,


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- Maybe the Believers and Non-Believers are Just holding to tightly to being - Entangled.., Maybe when they learn to let go, they will become Detangled..,

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? How can you visit a white Room.., be at Peace, When you despise and Hate? Peace has no Room for held Emotions? I'm just wondering, that's all.., that was directed at my meditation Guru's who are enlightened in the Ways of Meditation, but can't conquer their Hate.., Please, Teach me to hold on to Hatred, so that I too may be Enlightened.., Sifu
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Entangled..,

I don't understand why they think War, Rape, Murder, Greed, Misogny, Racism, and on and on to ad nauseaum, is going to disappear when Religion disappears, Or maybe just the Christian God, who is responsible for bringing these things into existence and will disappear once we cease to imaging God to exist,

Entangled...,

Then after the Christian God disappears, or which he doesn't really exist at all.., Then those who believed will be finally awakened to the gloriousness of truth that the non-believers had all the time., Not quite like the believers had before.., Then Man will know he answers to nothing but Man, and knowing only man's Rule and Law exist, then we can finally love and Help one another because we don't have the interference of an make believe God to decide what is moral, because we already do, Religion has been the poison of Man.., Not Man's on Deeds..,


Entangled...,

- Maybe the Believers and Non-Believers or Just holding to tightly to being - Entangled.., Maybe when they learn to let go, they will become Detangled..,

Nobody likes to fall in an Empty Void, it's Scary, It's Fear of the unknown..., The Mind is afraid of the Void it will fall In.., But there is no Void, The Mind will Expand till there is No Void left..., an Instantly it will become the Void.., See, still no Fear!!


Entangled...,

? How can you visit a white Room.., be at Peace, When you despise and Hate? Peace has no Room for held Emotions? I'm just wondering, that's all.., that was directed at my meditation Guru's who are enlightened in the Ways of Meditation, but can't conquer their Hate.., Please, Teach me to hold on to Hatred, so that I too may be Enlightened.., Sifu
Excellent post Brazko. And you're right, rape, murder, greed, racism etc will NOT disapear. Atheists who blame religion for bad things are very ignorant and have no place in an intellegent conversation. I am an atheist but I can clearly see that churches are doing no harm to anyone. Even on this website its the atheists who are constantly attacking other people. And you brought up another good point too.... Why the fuck do people get so mad at things they dont even believe in?? Thats like me sitting around hating on Santa Claus. Maybe its denial, putting others down in order to feel better about themselves?
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Well, if I have learned anything from an Atheist on Here.. mainly speaking of Ice and yourself.., is that Atheist are not all Brainwashed on here, just like all Theist are not.. including the Real World as well.,, I just might consider calling myself an Atheist again., but the term inherently won't stick, because I do believe..., and my Mind expands to far for Walls., Thanks for the Comment, and thanks for Enlightening me from the bewilderment that all Atheist on here were Ignorant... the both of You,

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Well, if I have learned anything from an Atheist on Here.. mainly speaking of Ice and yourself.., is that Atheist are not all Brainwashed on here, just like all Theist are not.....
like any other schism, there are fanatics on both sides of the debate, as well as the more rational proponents. any attempt to force a belief system on others is doomed to failure and only causes the rift to widen. just as in politics, there are leaders, there are followers and then there are those that only try to understand. things like the secular assault on christmas and the various attempts to ban religious icons from public view are the work of fanatics, bent on forcing their ideals onto as many others as possible and show atheism in the unkindest of lights. on the other side of that coin are folks like westboro baptist and jihadists, heaping abuse and/or death on anyone who won't accept their narrow view of reality. though i've always had a problem with religion (i actually made the jump from considering myself an agnostic to full blown atheist at christmas eve services) and tend to consider religion a bit childish, i just can't understand the outright hatred for those with faith that i so often see in nonbelievers.
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like any other schism, there are fanatics on both sides of the debate, as well as the more rational proponents. any attempt to force a belief system on others is doomed to failure and only causes the rift to widen. just as in politics, there are leaders, there are followers and then there are those that only try to understand. things like the secular assault on christmas and the various attempts to ban religious icons from public view are the work of fanatics, bent on forcing their ideals onto as many others as possible and show atheism in the unkindest of lights. on the other side of that coin are folks like westboro baptist and jihadists, heaping abuse and/or death on anyone who won't accept their narrow view of reality. though i've always had a problem with religion (i actually made the jump from considering myself an agnostic to full blown atheist at christmas eve services) and tend to consider religion a bit childish, i just can't understand the outright hatred for those with faith that i so often see in nonbelievers.
I don't understand either.., I called myself a Christian, because I was raised Christian and even though, I know longer follow the overall general message taught in Christainity.., It is stll the Overall truth of my Interpretation of the sometimes not so Obvious messages (and purposedly hidden, to be discovered) of Man and the Universe explained within the texts of Christanity (the Bible)... but like you I can no longer claim to be called a Christian because Christians do not collectively and generally exhibit a nature that is Christ like.. I Am a believer in the Christ that resides within all of Us, as Well as the Many other Truths that are held worldwide.., Nobody or No one thing get's it Right.., It's opening yourself to all that is True, that permits One to get it Right!!

Realization comes in the Truth of Realizing we Are all Humans., Minus the RElationship, Minus the Belief, Minus the Cause.., WE are all still Human.., We will advance only so far as to Which All Humans will Advance...

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Excellent post Brazko. And you're right, rape, murder, greed, racism etc will NOT disapear. Atheists who blame religion for bad things are very ignorant and have no place in an intellegent conversation. I am an atheist but I can clearly see that churches are doing no harm to anyone. Even on this website its the atheists who are constantly attacking other people. And you brought up another good point too.... Why the fuck do people get so mad at things they dont even believe in?? Thats like me sitting around hating on Santa Claus. Maybe its denial, putting others down in order to feel better about themselves?
I don't blame religious people for the bad things being done on the earth. I blame them for wasting time and money on an organization that has made no improvement (in my opinion worsened) in the world except give a fake comfort to people. Imagine the billions of dollars being wasted on building big elaborate churches, and all the 'necessities' that come along with it. When there are innocent children dying from starvation around the globe. I could find many places to put all that money to good use.
Republican Governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal, used $45,000 of tax payer money to visit and speak at churches. $1,200 an hour to operate which adds up to about $45,000 for five months of church visits. That is appalling. I think its time to stand up against the money hungry, good for nothing waste, and start putting our time, money, and effort into things that actually exists.
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Athiests don't hate religious people in general just the religions. Unless you're talking about some slick willy preacher with a rolex or whatever then yes I do hate them personally and for very very good reason.
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Athiests don't hate religious people in general just the religions. Unless you're talking about some slick willy preacher with a rolex or whatever then yes I do hate them personally and for very very good reason.
Guess What? I do Too.., but it's not Religion I hate.., REligion would be justified to not getting taxed if what it stood for was just.. but Guess What? Religion does stand for what is Just.. It is Marketed Religion that is Corrupt.., Like any Other extravagant Business.., that puts aside the need for everyone, with the need for only self.., I believe in helping youself to help others.. Not helping yourself to Others to help yourself.., Religious or Not, it's the SAme thing. If you want to get rid of that Religious type behaviour, you have to search deeper than religion being at fault.. REligion isn't Bad.. People are Bad and they do exist.. and all People are subject to being Manipulated.. Religious or Not.., and as I said before religion (all of them) don't get it all right, but the intent and direction in my opinion is right.., that still doesn't make it evil/bad because it is not a system of complete Rightousness as interpreted by whomever.., It can be better understood if we understood nothing man creates as an all abiding law or rule is subject to error... if No error, then nothing to progress to... If No error, nothing to evolve to, or from.. If no Error, we are no longer Human, but gods,, but there is an Error,,, we B Human

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