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In my world, in my mind, FAITH is believing or accepting the un-seen or un-proven without certain evidence to substaniate it.

The dictionary says something like
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

I have never seen an angel, or touched one, I can not prove that they exist, but by FAITH, I do accept that they do exist.
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How many people would have to believe in X-Men-like unseen, yet evolved human characteristics before there are?

Weren't there angels in the Marvel Comics Universe?

I believe there is a boundary beyond the Pillars of Hercules where knowledge vaporizes into belief.

I believe Archangels can be

quite

Good at math?
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How many people would have to believe in X-Men-like evolved human mutants before there are?

I think you're misunderstanding the concept of existence. In order for something to exist, nothing must believe in it. Existence is independent of belief.

Whether or not anyone believes I exist, it doesn't change the fact that here I sit.

I think you might be confusing "existence" with "meaning". Our lives and existence is meaningless without our senses and perception to experience it.
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I believe there is a boundary between knowledge and belief.
Of course since that boundary is there, you'll never know :P
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In my world, in my mind, FAITH is believing or accepting the un-seen or un-proven without certain evidence to substaniate it.

The dictionary says something like
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

I have never seen an angel, or touched one, I can not prove that they exist, but by FAITH, I do accept that they do exist.
Hmm... what would Spock say?
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GreenCross, what makes you so sure that your god and Christianity are the right choices?

Why not Zeus or Vishnu?

What evidence do you have?

Progressives are not trying to disprove god because no god has been proven.
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Yes.....good point.

Let's extrapolate it out further. Why would G*D wait all those thousands of years to do something. Why would G*D allow all of the lost souls to proceed his word? Why allow false religions BEFORE introducing "the word". What was G*D waiting for? G*D said screw the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, and the countless numbers of the primitive world?

It doesn't even make sense in that regard..... What's to wait for? If G*D already knows everything.....it seems his plan is awfully convoluted and short sighted.... how can that be?
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My concept of a Higher Power includes the concept of mod gods.

Does anyone not believe mod gods exist even though they are nearly impossible to witness?

Has anyone witnessed the fate of those who choose not to surrender to the will of the mod gods and follow the commandments they have set forth?

I believe a mod god was once heard to say unto its peoples "I am a Ganja God because I want to be a Ganja God"

Do you believe Gods have reproduced inside of our Universe in the past?

When did YHWH dictate the Ten Commandments?

Hippie Hint: Nobody gets hurt if nobody throws dirt clods.

Didn't someone nominate "Nobody for President" some time back?
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In the Dead Sea Scroll, THE ESSENE GOSPEL OF PEACE, translated by Szekely, there is a story of Jesus sitting around a campfire with some apostles, and Peter asked Jesus
Who is your Father? Who is God?
and Jesus replied
My Father is the LAW that made you.


I think or believe that we make a big mistake by giving God masculinity, and portraying God as a elderly old king-man-being on a throne.
My God is not a Being. My God does not really sit on a throne and have a beard. MY God is not located in one place or in one space.
My God is THE LAW THAT MADE ME. My God is a FORCE, a POWER, a RULE, a BALANCE, a WAY, and a PRINCIPLE that governs and rules all creation.
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started writing a book, back in the 80s, never finished it. Its in a box in the barn somewhere. But it is about what could we safely assume or know or figure out about this world and God and life in general, without reading a book or having a Spiritual Leader to tell us.

For an example,


from just living in this world, we can easily see and figure out and know that from time to time, there is always going to be Storms, Rainy days, Cloudy dark days, and Rain Clouds. Rain and storms are just a part of life.
We also talk about bad life experiences as Storms too, in a metaphor way of speaking. When we have what we call BAD LUCK, we say a dark cloud is over us.
So life teaches us that there are always going to be Storms in our day to day lives too. There is going to be illness, there is going to be disputes, there is going to be flat tires on the highway of life, there are going to be unhappiness and battles and struggles, all of which we can call a Storm, or a rainy day, or a rain cloud or dark clouds or dark cloudy days for us.

But there is a silver lining in this thinking.

Without reading a book, Life has also taught me that behind those dark clouds, there is ALWAYS still a blue sky and sunshine waiting on me, and waiting for the clouds to go away to shine for me again. And that profound knowledge gives me hope to face a cloudy day.
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