You cannot look at faith logically because that's not how it works, otherwise we could simply say "there's no scientific proof so there's no god" but they call it "Faith" look up the definition. and what does enlightenment have to do with faith and religion? I LOVE science, but i also go to church because i believe that god actually wants something better for me than a short, less than 100 year stint on earth stuck to work and pay taxes. Now i could believe that we were made to come on earth, live, smoke pot, pay taxes, die and that's it, but my mind expands too much to believe something as simply as that. Also, science disproves itself everyday, i hate to quote a liberal show like the colbert report, but a young physicist on their said it one day "all the theories that explain the universe are just that, theories, and probably will be disproved or tweaked upon later in time" I'm not saying all religious people are good, everybody has their own ways to spirituality or religion, or whatever source of greater being...... and the theory of evolution is... i LOVE charles darwin but the poor mans information has been run through the coals and back.... in his original endeavors he stated that we "might have a similar ancestor" not that "we all came from monkeys"... i also grew up catholic and i DO believe in evolution, but i DONT believe we came from monkeys, that wouldn't make sense, why would both man and ape evolve over time if we evolved from an ape?.... and what's wrong with having some guidance in life like "dont steal, don't kill, don't have sex with your neighbors wife" there was a post about where to get cheap grow stuff the other day and one guy writes about how he goes and steals cfl's from his sons school when he's there for parent-teacher conference, and takes the from his dr.'s office.... and yet we're worried about the people who are going to church....hmmmm, and i just answered your question right there, faith is a good thing because it gives us guidance in life, sometimes there is more to life than smoking weed, playing on the computer.... there's things like kids, family, a career... people with lives like these tend to look for moral guidance and they get it at church.

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Want to stop global warming? Shut your mouth, cuts down on CO2 and i dont have to hear you BullSh*t!

faith is the ultimate abnegation of reason.
i firmly believe in the flying spaghetti monster (may you all be blessed by his noodley appendage) and that there truly has been, in fact, a blue tea kettle orbiting the earth since the flying spaghetti monster ejected our meatball like planet from his sublime and unlimited pasta-y mass.

go on. disprove it. you can't. it's my belief...

especially since it has been revealed to his prophets and put into holy writ that this is the way his noodliness intended it all to be...

oh, ps
i also believe in santa claus, the toothfaery, the easter bunny (harvey!?), gnomes, and nessy (to name a few)...

I know it's important for the progressives to destroy peoples faith, but this sh*t is getting old.

The lack of faith is the believe that the ability for human beings to love each-other comes naturally.

History proves otherwise

If Jesus was alive today, and preaching love rather than government intervention, most would call for his head, and the emperor in chief - in washington - would be happy to carry out the wishes of the people .

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"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson my grow

OK andy and GC, thanks for the replies, finally got some believers to join in!

What you both seem to be saying is that faith is something human beings need, right? We need it to be moral to eachother and some people need it to get through their lives as kind of a form of comfort believing there's something more.

But I have an issue with that. I don't believe in faith, I've never looked for strength or comfort in some form of faith. I'm a perfectly nice, reasonable, moral person. I don't break laws, I pay taxes... etc.. Am I simply an exception to your explination? I know a lot of people just like me who are perfectly moral people who don't seem to need faith at all to behave as such.

Thanks again for any responses.

also, one other thing for you andy;

Atheism

If you have any questions about the theory of evolution, this thread probably wouldn't be the best place to go to discuss it, but that thread I just linked is chalk full of information about evolution, common misconceptions and other general information. Don't let some of the hardcore fundamentalist type scare you away or tell you the atheists are only out to get you, if you come with logic and sound reasoning, you'll be welcomed with open arms. Hope to see you there!

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"So I picked up some party balloons and a small tube of vaseline, then slippity slip it was in my ass."
-BongJuice

if that's what you believe, so be it. more power to you, tell Santa don't forget my presents this year

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" The stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head cornerstone..." ~Bob Marley http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...-hawaiian.html

Green Cross is right, shit IS getting old. is this the best you got??? it has no relevance

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" The stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head cornerstone..." ~Bob Marley http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...-hawaiian.html

WE ARE ALL ATHEIST'S IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!

Zeus, Attis, Horus, Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, .....

Every believer SHOULD take into account that they could serve an eternity of damnation on mere probablistic grounds.

To be so very selfish to think that YOUR God/religion is correct. To take in account other people's religion when it is the literal sense to considered heretical. To admonish those unwilling to accept authority as truth or they will be damned. To then try to justify state and political control of someone else's PERSONAL sexual orientation. Is absurd.


And yet, the faithful hold truth in the highest esteem. But tend to disregard the intolerance and persecution of those unwilling to accept such ignorant certainty. Even if their doctrines/beliefs put those very people in uncomfortable places. "The search for comfort at the expense of truth."

I said it before and i'll say it once more.. whatever beliefs one takes to be foundational will dictate at any given moment what seems reasonable.

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it is contradictory to try to use unjust means to obtain justice; to try to use violence to obtain peace
SATYAGRAHA!

funny how you pool everyone into one category,,, my "god" as you call him, is not the "god" you speak of,,,, my "god" comes from within...

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" The stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head cornerstone..." ~Bob Marley http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...-hawaiian.html

I have "faith" in myself,,, I am my own "god"

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" The stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head cornerstone..." ~Bob Marley http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...-hawaiian.html