Discuss,

Burden of proof falls onto the one making the claim.

There is no such thing as a "burden of disproof".

Why can't theists comprehend this fact? aaannd GO!

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

I believe Ricki White gave You a very discriptive answer to Proof (scientifically and Philosophically) NO Relgious concept Needed..., Use the Wisdom you already understand to Understand that it is Only Proof you need to Disprove what is Proof to You.. aaaannnnnd I STOP!!!

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"Really? I live in Queens, did you put that together yourself, Einstein? Got a team of monkeys working around the clock on it?" - Hockney

Deduction within Reason.
I have a ball - I am asked to prove the existence of this ball, following in suit therein I proceed to show the ball as factual evidence towards my claim.
The burden of proof dictates that the one stating the fact therefore must lay claim to the responsibility in proving it sufficiently and satisfactorily enough not for the other but for the essence of logic itself.

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Concluding without Sanity.
I have a ball - I am asked to then prove the said existence of said ball, following suit I retort with the claim that it is not my responsibility but rather that of the audience of said discussion to lay bare the duty and therein burden of disbelief, in that it is there job to prove that the ball doesn't exist.


Do you Theists not appreciate the insanity within this, let us call it a 'subtle' difference in approach? Witness the shifts in logic and the severe and dire intellectual consequences and repercussions you barrel down upon those who would refute your claims:

Do your children argue, no, demand that you prove the monsters under there beds don't exist? Rather than you, the parent requesting them to prove they do? You even Harald to them, triumphantly as you open the closet, show them nothing there and lift up the mattress, to reveal all the dust bunnies of the months past.
This is no different then the means which we ourselves defend, which we ourselves argue to your claims. We merely want equal proof, show us evidence of your claims.
Let me tell you something, you're no different then the children in this story, and we as the 'intellectual parents' in this scenario are merely asking you for proof of these 'boogie men.'

How do you think you are any different then a child is acting? I'll give you a hint, there is very little.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

Good luck getting the point across.
It's hard to explain 'burden of proof' to someone when their concept of proof is "Well, we don't know why X happened, so that proves God!"
It's highly unlikely that someone using that mindset could even consider the idea that "I have a God!" and "I have a ball!" both stand on equal footing when questioned, until evidence is provided to substantiate.


Creationists love fossils. When there is a gap in the fossil record they proclaim this as proof of God. They love intermediate fossils even more. Drop one in a gap, and suddenly you have a gap on each side. More gaps = more proof of God! Win!

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Religion. Bravely turning its back on reality one universe at a time.

Braz is half right.... unintentionally. Religion cannot accept the parameters of Burden of Proof.
How can a myth survive serious examination? It cannot.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

Proof is everywhere! You first need to understand what God is to find proof. That is something that needs to come from you.

You just need to know what proof means.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

The ball is here, in my pocket. If you truly believe it is, I cannot show you for you are undeserving and I am not required to show you this ball: Simply believe in me and this ball and the ball shall therein exist. You should in contrast rather then question prove to me that the ball Isn't in my pocket at all. Prove if you dare question, that I never held it in the first place.

I've had enough of you, you're either truly pathetic or simply trolling me, nobody is this distressingly shabby.
You're a child, I said argue and show 'proof' 'evidence' within the parameters that I have set or don't bother at all.

Stop bothering me with your dribble you minds child.
Go play with your fleeting grasps and fluttering concepts some place else, as 'pretty' as you try to make your words the underlaying naivety rots the message to the core. Don't make me pity you any more than the next, because only then will I truly be sad. It even saddens me now that you cannot fathom the reason for this sadness, a never ending cycle of lamented amnesty for your foolish delusions.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

SusnShine is My Proof, babs Is My Proof, Maui is My Proof, Doc is My Proof, Rose is My proof, CBo is my Proof, BigNut is My proof (that still makes me laugh), We Love is My proof, ad infintium.. You get it, We do not know each other.., nor did the Men back Then..., WE witness and Acknowledge for ourselves.. Then we Ourselves Acknowledge each Other.. One Thought.. reached independently through the Manipulated trials of Life

CJ, you are completely Wrong, unintentionally, because you cling to the Myth!! You are actually waiting for GAAaa*aWWdd to appear..to allow you a belief in a Physical Proof.., I said use your Own Wisdom,, Nothing is REal, Right!! Behold the Kingdom of Heaven is Before You Now..!! Nooo, not outside on the Horizon..,

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"Really? I live in Queens, did you put that together yourself, Einstein? Got a team of monkeys working around the clock on it?" - Hockney

Nooooooo, You cannot set the Parameters of Rules for the Universe, you have to Follow them...

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"Really? I live in Queens, did you put that together yourself, Einstein? Got a team of monkeys working around the clock on it?" - Hockney