Haha, it's quite alright my friend. Didn't say you offended me, on the contrary, it was quite an interesting show. I go on the understanding that One can only hurt others if one hurts themselves, one can only love others if one loves themselves, one can only appreciate others if one can appreciate themselves. Ergo, it's all good in the proverbial 'hood' my 'home boy'. To understand all is to understand 'self' and ones own mind. Because we are all the same, I can only do wrong if I desire it upon myself. It's beautiful really, I have no need nor yearning to hate or harm. Simply to live, and learn of course. ; D


My last message, and so I do not steal the last word, I welcome a last response from you.
cause and effect shows that there is a reason to the result, not that there is a purpose to the effect.

As you know just as I do, the cause is the ebb, the effect is the flow.

The term Purpose in this is not: the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used. etc etc
But, rather: Relevance derived by intentional design in regards to a subjective reference.

I meant it much more in a philosophical meaning rather then a literal/scientific one.
I agree, in a non philosophical sense, cause and effect is the direct purpose of our known universe.


I enjoyed this talk, and enjoy the way you think. Maybe sometime later on when I get more free time I can pick apart your brain some more haha.
Keep it real compadre.

Best regards: A quizzical one.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

Ha, the only last Words, I have for you is Peace until You have time to Educate me Some More.. Hollar

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"He was dead just long enough for the murder rap to blow over. And then he had lunch." - Kujan

slight regression to my comment: nihilism, just as all other outlooks, is a choice. and in the case of nihilism specifically, the choice is made easier by the ridiculousness of nihilism in any literal sense. I mean I sense my own existence in a lucid enough light; as Occam's razor would imply, there's no reason to look outside reality to find the answers we've had it all along... and that answer is the slow trickling of time, the recycling of matter. thats the game, and you are playing it my friends.

man, you got a lot out of me here, normally i stick to the weed growing threads haha.

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Yeah I know, but I'm sure I hit a soft spot, you like me, you know it ;D lol.
Thanks for adding more by the way, your previous post really caught my attention.

Although the deeper one delves into these questions, the more questions appear, and the harder they are to answer, one whom is quizzical and desiring greater knowledge and wisdom of self and others I can only find it natural to endure this struggle to every fiber of my being, for however long I may 'hope' to hold on.

Any outlook, when broken down is a matter of choice, I agree. The simpler way to explain the same concept the better, however regardless of everything inherently leading unto the same actual result, people place value on particular concepts of philosophy, or just down right ignore or don't get some if not all of the picture at all.

It's interesting that you say nihilism is ridiculous, and to such a degree. I'm curious, what is value then? What is meaning? To one degree or the next this differs from thing to thing, however intrinsically everything is equal in that it lacks inherent quality, but rather carries Extrinsic substance in which we've placed onto it.

I agree, it may be a bit silly to live under the concept that 'there is no purpose' but like I said before, the fact that there is no purpose has no purpose either, so in that understanding I feel acceptance for everything equally. That's just me though, how about you? or anyone else for that matter?

I'm really interested in having my views questioned, so don't hold back anyone and everyone.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

haha, you are def. an interesting cat... with an awesome avatar, i'll give you that. +rep for your demeanor and thoughts.

I like this. but even attempting to resist a choice is to spawn another inverse action. it's all relative in this sense, we can choose to be or choose to deny our being... and still end up hungover on a sunday morning with a splitting headache.

I think value, just like choice, is largely ignored by the majority of existence and happenings. 'purpose' is just the punchline (or a ghost in the machine of sorts) of the joke that is human perception. Man, we should trip on acid together, lol.

i feel like i need to add this in...

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I like that way of thought of yours too, very awesome. I'd definitely do acid with you if the chance ever occurred lol.
Oh! I know, Sometime in the near future, go to burning man! haha.

I'm planning on it eventually, I hear it's an event of events to remember.


also,
That picture is really interesting, I'm going to save it for next time I trip, thanks for the addition for my image collection, I'll give you one too.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

thats the ticket, i've been waiting to exp burning man. thanks for the trip art, that first pic is just transfixing me just stoned! homie

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DJBox, I feel the same way pretty much as the OP.

I'm way too baked right now to get deep, but you pretty much outlined it better than I probably could have anyway.

Lately I've been thinking about the inevitable fate of the universe and what it means to humanity. I guess that's the most optimistic thing an atheist could ever possibly say... that he thinks "humanity" might exist in one form or another, certainly not our current form as it'll probably be hundreds of billions of years in the future... but anyway, I guess it's not necessarily the "end" right? We just havn't figured out how to get outside universes yet.

One other thought about that, I'd think there would have to be some exception to Einsteins rule, we'd have to go faster than light or else nothing would really matter anyway. The universe would keep expanding faster than we could ever go, which means we would never reach the "edge" in which to "escape"...

...well, one good thing I can say about that though huh... I won't be around to see it! lol


Love the Bill Hicks quote, that dude was awesome! I just saw this thing with George Carlin too, that guy had some amazing shit to say, one of the smartest guys, hands down.

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-BongJuice

Physics is really wacky, we exist/were born at a really interesting time. We've realized at our point, with all we know, that we truly within the fundamentals, know nothing fully at all. Only snipits of everything. Fractals. We have all the pieces. Almost. Maybe?(physics joke, kind of) It's a matter of putting what we have together and filling in the blanks. Or at least identifying the blanks for what they are.

All we can do in existing is continue on existing, that is our 'destiny' I suppose, and by destiny I mean instinctive drive. Our derived purpose shapes us, people get caught up in the fact that the purpose we have fuels us rather then seeing the fuel as the fact that we derive our own purposes. It isn't our 'purpose' that pushes us forward, it's the concept OF purpose that pushes us forward. There is no real purpose, as Iv'e said, only contextual purpose. The concept of Purpose. Just as there are no morals, merely the concept of morals.

Evolution, our advancements within that large yet fragment of 'time' will peak at genetics and transcend to technological. Why, it already has. What I would give to be born 200 years from now, but I transgress, it is the inherent value we place upon these fundamental concepts to the structure of our thought that allows us to desire progression. It's progression through self facilitated purpose. This drives our machine.

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You see things; and you say 'why?' - I dream things that never were: and I say 'Why not?'

Reincarnation - A bunch of amnesic parasitic ghosts trying to reach enlightenment.

only of what is present in our minds and hearts.

Even if we don't believe, we all make our own rules and impose them upon ourselves.

When our minds evolve to the point where we can believe we can shape our own realities, then by extension, we are actually shaping our own independent universes.

;)