Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: www.netzarim.co.il)

Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.

If,inferred,maybe,possibly,..............

I'll just sum it up without a bunch of those.....

Man does not understand the timespace continuum nearly enough to say what is the primary causal effect which brought our "known" universe into being.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

man can make the obvious correlations between intelligent design and nature just by appreciation of beauty and natural mathematic functions.
We may not ever grasp 100% a true creator but the fact we are conscious in itself is proof enough for me their is an intelligent force behind it all, or that IS it all...hmm

good post man

I think man has a propensity to see patterns not in evidence, especially if they compliment his ego. Practically irresistible to the oh so smart primate.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

what is a pattern, a man, or a primate without consciousness?




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Right then you've solved the age old question that has been pondered by all of mankind since day one! Perhaps we should alert the worlds media now?

who created the intelligent creator? and I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm sure there is some theory on that and would just like to hear it...

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Originally Posted by Xeno420 Hey! I made a boo boo... It's free to be kind, no charge.

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how could you not like woman There so soft and warm. Almost like rabbits but less furry

Yes, Leeny i too would like to know that as well. There,however all laws can be broken.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

Dude. It's all about the quantum foam and stuff. God is, like, cool man. Peace to the string theory, man! Whoa dude! That was deep and like wow man! God is math or somethin, man! WOOT!

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"If you wanna win, CHEAT! If you lose, start a FIGHT!" - very wise man

you do realize you provided absoloutely no proof of anything other than the universe expanding


no evidence of a "plan"

or a "creator"

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