Is there an afterlife? - Page 4

kanekanekane · #31 07-23-2007, 05:19 PM

i hate how every answer leads to more questions.

like lets say we had proof that god exists. well then how did god come into existence?

and say everything came from a non god made big bang? were did this big bang come from?

same question more or less same answer nobody knows

AzGrOw-N-sMoKe · #32 07-23-2007, 05:23 PM

its all energy...

Garden Knowm · #33 07-23-2007, 06:31 PM

the opposite of death is BIRTH..

the opposite of LIFE is LIFE... LIFE is...

YOU ARE awareness that has focussed ON the mind for so long that it actually BELIEVES it is the mind.... Point your awarness INTO eternity and become eternal... this is done through meditation...

SHIFTING ones AWARENESS away from the MIND.... away from the endless chatter that MAKES up "YOU"....

The only THING that can move at the speed of LIGHT is everything... become aware of everything and you become LIGHT... Eistein and Yogananda wrote some great things on this subject..

One does not have to debate about Gods exhistence, one can make contact with GOD.... read Autobiography of a Yogi.... it is a fantastic book that will shead light on the GOD question....

meditate and love...

iloveyou

4theist20 · #34 07-23-2007, 08:28 PM

There is no afterlife. There is only life. You get one. Absolutely everything that we are is physical, and we will all eventually come to an end. To expect a second life after your first life is over is just plain greedy.

el_maco · #35 07-24-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kanekanekane

i hate how every answer leads to more questions.

like lets say we had proof that god exists. well then how did god come into existence?

and say everything came from a non god made big bang? were did this big bang come from?

same question more or less same answer nobody knows

yeah, one of my ideas is that we are a kind of automata, game, universe whatever you call it, which is generated inside a bigger one where ''god'', the ''programmer'' could have created us, or we simply were there, and this was generated inside another bigger one, and so and so in an infinite array, something like fractals

skunkushybrid · #36 07-24-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by suicidesamurai

How does it make me ignorant? I'm pointing out that the people who are definitely not ignorant generally don't believe in a higher power. We are all technically ignorant as to whether there is a creator. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions. You say you believe even though you have no proof. I say I don't believe even though I have no proof. We are both ignorant on the matter, unless you have some sort of Divine knowledge that has alluded the rest of us. I can only have opinions based on what I know. I can only really be 99.9% sure there is no creator. Even someone like Richard Dawkins feels the same way. He is as sure that there is no creator as you are that there is, but he doesn't leave out the possibility that by some minuscule chance there could be one.

No, what Stephen Hawking (I'm sure this is who you meant) actually said was that the only way he could see there being a god is if it were merely the catalyst for creation. In other words, the Big Bang itself would actually be god. In this sense, then of course there is a god (as the universe is still expanding), but not in the sense everybody would like to believe.

Tell me something, god believers. If I CANNOT know there are no gods, how can you KNOW there are no such thing as fairies?

4theist20 · #37 07-24-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by suicidesamurai

How does it make me ignorant? I'm pointing out that the people who are definitely not ignorant generally don't believe in a higher power. We are all technically ignorant as to whether there is a creator. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions. You say you believe even though you have no proof. I say I don't believe even though I have no proof. We are both ignorant on the matter, unless you have some sort of Divine knowledge that has alluded the rest of us. I can only have opinions based on what I know. I can only really be 99.9% sure there is no creator. Even someone like Richard Dawkins feels the same way. He is as sure that there is no creator as you are that there is, but he doesn't leave out the possibility that by some minuscule chance there could be one.
No, what Stephen Hawking (I'm sure this is who you meant) actually said was that the only way he could see there being a god is if it were merely the catalyst for creation. In other words, the Big Bang itself would actually be god. In this sense, then of course there is a god (as the universe is still expanding), but not in the sense everybody would like to believe.

Tell me something, god believers. If I CANNOT know there are no gods, how can you KNOW there are no such thing as fairies?

Sorry Skunk, but I'm pretty sure he meant Richard Dawkins. He's the staunch atheist who just came out with a new book 'The God Delusion' Good book too, I recommend it.

Anyway, Suicide. You're correct. No one can be 100% certain of anything. This is why I think Agnostics are a little slow. They think they're being special because they love to bring up this point. But I don't see how it connects. I don't care if you're theist or if you're atheist. Neither one can be 100% certain. So why do you need some middle ground club, where all they talk of is how no one knows for certain. No duh! That's besides the point. Do you believe in a God or not? I already know you're not certain of your beliefs. Wether you think you are or not is irrelevant. You either believe in a God, or you don't. There is no 'I'd like to suspend beleif until further evidence presents itself. NO! Do you believe in one or not?!

By now it has completely turned into ranting...

skunkushybrid · #38 07-24-2007, 02:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance on the Dawkins point.

Although i do have something to add in regards to 100% certainties. They do exist, and are in fact quite numerous.

I am 100% certain there are no such thing as ghosts. I am 100% certain I am alive. I am 100% certain fairies do not exist, likewise gods or wizards, or elves or goblins.

The list of 100% certainties is endless.

How do I know fairies don't exist? Because they were created within the minds of men.

How do I know gods don't exist? Because THEY were created in the minds of men.

suicidesamurai · #39 07-24-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by skunkushybrid

Forgive my ignorance on the Dawkins point.

Although i do have something to add in regards to 100% certainties. They do exist, and are in fact quite numerous.

I am 100% certain there are no such thing as ghosts. I am 100% certain I am alive. I am 100% certain fairies do not exist, likewise gods or wizards, or elves or goblins.

The list of 100% certainties is endless.

How do I know fairies don't exist? Because they were created within the minds of men.

How do I know gods don't exist? Because THEY were created in the minds of men.

That is the best argument against the existence of a higher power, atleast one that has supposedly given his/her/their word to people on Earth.

People needed to explain the world around them, so every people on Earth has some sort of higher power. A better working theory is that there was a big bang and evolution took it's course here on Earth. That seems silly only to people that don't understand it. It does not however disprove the idea that some creator could've set things in motion, and created the mechanisms possible for evolution, or made the big bang happen, etc. That is not something that can be proved or disproved through science or any other means.

skunkushybrid · #40 07-25-2007, 01:16 AM

Often, when we think of proof, we think in terms of the law. The law works under something called 'reasonable doubt'. If you are deemed guilty beyond all reasonable doubt then in some places you can be executed for your ajudged crimes.

Yet, in everyday life, on the street the requirement of proof is much less. We don't need physical evidence to know when someone is lying, or when they have stolen from us. We just KNOW it was them. Does the burden of reasonable doubt stop us from taking our revenge, or calling them out on their lies? No.

I like the argument with the fairies as to me this is exactly the same as belief in gods. I cannot ever prove that fairies do not exist. I just KNOW they don't.