Atheist Manifesto - Page 2

Musical Suicide · #11 05-27-2009, 09:00 PM

Yeah I wrote this about a year ago on myspace as a blog. I made some movie a while ago with a shitty song I was playing. Just me and my brother fucking around with widows movie maker for the first time, anyways the song was called, kill god, and well, people didnt really like it. haha It was funny how all these "good christians" were just threating me, and wishing the worst of all hells on me and my family. Its quite funny, and absurd, but mostly just the epitome of religion in itself. "Be like me, like god tells you to, or parish in the worst of hells imaginable... haha So I put some good reasearch into it, and spent some time on it. Anyways, I totally agree, what comes when you die is one of the biggest mystery's which no side has any proof... thats why I think when you die, well fuck, you just die. Thats why there's no proof, cause there's nothing tio prove. It's awsome to think of reincarnation, or a heaven... and who knows it all could be true, no one knows. All I can say is if this "god" charachter exisits, and he thinks Me, thinking for myself and basing my belife's on what sources I have seen and experienced, is enough to sentance me to this "hell" well... fuck him. haha But like your paradox is what my parents and I have discussed before. My dad, is cathloic, and my mom is christian. My gradma was full time cathloic, prayed 4 hours everday for her whole life. The whole cathloic life, all day 24/7. Now is this gatekeeper gonna keep me out, which will not be what my family wants?? Or let me in this back door? Only time will tell... till then, I am open to all ideas and evidence. But as I go to work in the morning, as I walk down the city streets, as I visit the hospitals and welfare office's and jailhouses... is hard to belive there's a god.

turtleblood · #12 05-28-2009, 08:52 AM

that is so completely similar to what i have thought about. how could any entity that was ever once considered 'loving' invoke so much eternal evil upon people that have simply failed to live up to an impossible standard? that is a cruel fellow, and if it is true, then FUCK THAT, i don't WANT to be part of such an agenda. it makes no sense.

keep the peace. keep this thread going! does anyone else have conflicting thoughts to share?

Christafari · #13 05-29-2009, 09:40 PM

Hasn't the Christian religion already been proven false? Evolution has been proven, the earth has been proven to be over 6000 years old.If the bible is disproven, therefore God(in the Christian faith) has been disproven. s. As for the belief in GOD as an entity, that is still up for debate. I do not choose a side, on weather I believe or don't believe in God, I (and everyone else on the earth) simply do not know. There may be a God, but we can be certain that if he does exist, he is not a particular religion ,nor did he send profits to spread religious word, nor would he feel the need to be worshiped.

Mcgician · #14 05-29-2009, 10:16 PM

Having the arrogance to say God doesn't exist is idiotic. To do so relies as much on faith as a person "of faith". Period.

Mcgician · #15 05-29-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Christafari

Hasn't the Christian religion already been proven false?

NO.

The oversimplistic reasoning around here sometimes is unbelievable!

Musical Suicide · #16 05-30-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcgician

NO.

The oversimplistic reasoning around here sometimes is unbelievable!

care to elaborate??

Hayduke · #17 05-30-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcgician

Having the arrogance to say God doesn't exist is idiotic. To do so relies as much on faith as a person "of faith". Period.

Am I idiotic for having the faith and arrogance enough to dare say that Unicorns do not exist?

bicycle racer · #18 05-31-2009, 11:38 AM

i think die hard religious people and die hard atheists are both at a loss and equally confused in there thinking.

Hayduke · #19 05-31-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bicycle racer

i think die hard religious people and die hard atheists are both at a loss and equally confused in there thinking.

Wait a minute...let me get this straight....whoa....where am I?

PadawanBater · #20 05-31-2009, 12:15 PM

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what a great post! Musical Suicide, did you write that yourself or did it come from somewhere?

i like to use the following paradox to make the proselytizers stopand THINK for once:

hypothetical situation: there is a family of three - a mother, father, and son.
the mother and father are perfect in the eyes of god. they have not committed sin, and they deserve to rest in paradise eternally when they pass on.
the son, however, lives sinfully and denounces god, and deserves to live eternally in pain.

the family is all killed in a natural phenomena.

now, the mother and father go to heaven. they require all the things that would make them happy, and this includes having their son eternally nearby them, and for him also to be eternally happy. this is a thing god cannot refuse, because they deserve to be eternally happy.

two possible cases arrise:
1) send the son to hell as he deserves, and have an illusive replacement to keep the parents happy. this, however, means that heaven is a farse because it presents a false truth and is therefore misleading. heaven is therefore imperfect.
2) send the som to heaven as the parents deserve to have him. his soul cannot reside in two places at once, however, so he must reside only in heaven (now there are two more cases:
2)a. the son's soul rests happily and peacefully in heaven. therefore he does not receive punishment for his sins. this means that there is a 'back door' to heaven.
2)b. the son's soul is in heaven, but it feels pain inflicted as punishment. therefore heaven is imperfect, because no one should feel any pain in such a utopia.

the afterlife is mighty confusing.

i want to hear a real, foolproof way that this can work. come one, come all. none of them work. either there is a necessary illusion, or it cannot be possible. in any case an illusion is used for the solution, please accept this as a fatal error in the logic of a perfect heaven.

anyway, Musical Suicide's post reflected just about every one of the reason's i have ever agreed with in the bounds of the religious discussion. +rep !!!!

I've been asking the same shit for atleast a year man! Almost the exact same question, how could the rest of the family in heaven be content and happy without another member of their family!? This is a complete paradox.

So anyway, the answers I get are just like any other Christian answering an atheists questions... dodge and screen or answer something you didn't even ask... usually goes something like this;

"well, in heaven, it's different, you don't have a 'family' kind of situation, you're not physically connected to your other family members through blood like you were on earth, so you won't feel any pain from missing them"

... yep, you read it right! I know! They think that passes for a real answer...

Logic/Reason is not in some of these peoples tool box...