yeah....I usually stay away from these threads and stick to the grow room.... I get schooled in here!!! LOL peace man

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yes dr greenhorn guessed right. FAITH
have FAITH in a better life after this one. Do good things, treat people with respect, if not for GOD do it for yourself and the feeling you get after helping someone out whether it be giving a few bucks away or sharing a few kind words of ecouragement.
God Bless

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I have been asking the same questions for a while. More so I had been trying to prove God’s existence, and a benevolent existence at that. I finally came across Zen. Zen asks probably one of the most important questions I have ever heard “Who are you, the real you, can you show me?.”
Its tricky but gets the job done, we are talking about the real you, not the wannabe, changing, developing person etc.. The real you. Most would think its soul, yet the questions asks for a demonstration. It basically brings the question of God to your front door. Zen as Alan Watts said is concerned with the finger pointing at the moon. Quotes like “The sword can cut everything but itself” are a perfect point as to what it attempts to ask. We speak of belief, love, and all that jazz. Yet who is the one doing this?
After some consideration and a good smoke, I had an epiphany of an understanding. This is me, all of it. It is up to me to assume what “me” I wish to be, and this is only done in relationship to someone or something else. I am God, if you understand the definition of it. God the Creator separated in to separate matter to experience myself (Conversations with God- Donald Walsh)

The funny thing is I am human right now, but because I at some level have chosen that. If I chose or willed to be God, all I would have to do is lose the identity of the false self (The I am, what I am Not, thus I am) and understand the unity I have with All. If I did that though no more super high’s, love, tears, drama and so on. Or maybe not, maybe I would be everything?
Would I be all the people in our lives? Since I know its only a role, an identity, that is the only way I can compare to being something more. In other words there is a self out there, a Me, that has done it. Defied space and time and became the universe and upon looking back said, hey I liked the ride, going to keep it. It’s a loop anyways, the eternal loop of the Now. Every moment being re-created to eternity.
So from it you get various understandings about life. You realize first off you are who you are because of a relationship to something. Secondly, you control that relationship. You also realize that all the other “you’s” out there, are you deciding to act as another person. Heck the future God You is here Now and we don’t even see it. We can’t see it because its us. The moment we ask who is God, it means that we consider God to be a separate force, separate from our own consciousness. How could that be, if that was the case how would God even know of us? How do we know of us?

The whole thing leads to the process of freedom. The action of getting free will. For the most part we have sold our free will to an game console, a car, or even another human being to be happy (marriage). Most of us run away from something. Rarely do any of us run towards ourselves, or at least an understanding of. Its called attachment. Definition of self with something that appears to be external to our self. LSD points out that maybe we are not so separate, so do various modern theories of physics. But I find peace in knowing that: Hey if we didn’t do this whole thing to begin with, I wouldn’t be here right now. Would I?


The argument is basically simple. How certain are you that this world you live in is real? Blue Pill -- Red Pill

the lord is a monkey .....................

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I love this video!!!

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sorry but its all bollox , there is no magical mystery here , its all man made to control and man is very simple to lead , i do believe in christian values but not the manipulation of the masses , its an irony that people here would question in a heart beat the slightest miss quote or incorrect posting and yet would not seek to question something thats ingrained into us all from before we have the smarts to be able to question it , all i can really bring to this is a fella called derran brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX5xMjfBDes

his use of the control techinques in religous contex is profound and yet hes kind enough to explain exactly whats happening , his religious belief is rather lacking lol

I took 1 class on greek mythology and learned how generic some of the bible's stories were. For instance the story of Noah's Ark was almost a direct copy of a part of the story of Gilgamesh and the story of Gilgamesh is the oldest known work of literature.

I was also taken back about how Christianity, Judaism and Islam shared many of the same stories.We studied the three different versions of the story of Joseph and they all told the same story just with different details. I think there were a few other stories that were more different than not but its been a few years since that class.

To me religion is a way for humans to describe what they don't understand and to make humans feel better about dying. The reason I believe this is because so many of the worlds ancient civilizations such as the egyptians, greeks, myans and aztecs (to name a few) all created their own gods. The greeks religion started as stories. Stories about things they couldn't understand and over the years these stories became dogma which controlled almost every one of the greek's decisions. Isn't the bible a book of stories? How many times do we know it has been revised? Sounds similar to the greeks huh?

People do act good in the name of god but they have also acted very, very bad in the name of god as well. Why do you have to hope for a better life after this one? Why not make the life your living the best you can?

I think you have a Pantheistic view there

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Well certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Only in the end will everyone know the truth. So I'm takin' bets!

There's 2 types of atheists.
The ones that just don't feel the need to believe in God, because they enjoy life as it is, and/or because they don't like the idea of God.
These kind of "atheists" would not believe in God even if one day it's existence will be proven!
This kind of atheism is a dogma as well, because it refuse sciencentific research to keep beliefs.

There's the ones that prove that God does not exist (like me), because of scientific research.
One day I said myself I could accept the existence of God, as well as it's non existence.
Agnosticism is a good start.

Now the same thing can be said for believers, there is the one that have been brainwashed and feel good to think that God exist. And the one that will believe in God after something happens in his life.
This kind of believers were atheists first, and when you ask them why you believe they say that God comes not from the intellect, from the outside, but from the inside. That they have been illuminated by God itself.

I don't get what you mean, if you believe in evolution you should believe that anything is possible. Why put limits ?

However, I want to say evolutionism still not a prove to atheism, to point this out, evolution may be considered creationism as well, not static but that changes, now your issue is if all has been predicted or not.