People are not born good or bad,it is something they are taught.It does not come natrually.
PROVE that the finches are not a single species,same with the tortoises.Show all of us the fossil records to PROVE your point.Believing the fairy tale of evolution without FACTS is arrogant.You did not read the scientific proof above to show you are wrong.
Theory:A hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation:an
UNPROVED assumption,:CONJECTURE.OPH

If you have anything else to say, I'll be back tomorrow.I've proven my point.

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Yup.The Bible cannot be proven.Creationism cannot be proven, does not hold up to scrutiny.therefore, it is discarded. And that essay you copied and pasted from that website is in no way scientifically accurate.It's so full of holes I'd have been embarrased to use it, were I fighting on the side of creationism.NOW.Since you attack evolution and expect us to explain ourselves, SHOW us the irrefutable evidence that proves Creationism.ANd you can't use the Bible, it's hearsay. Show us that all the fossils exist in a single layer.You can't.They don't. Show us the Garden of Eden.You can't.It "disappeared." Show us the evidence that proves without a doubt that a sentient being created the universe and everything within it,and show us proof that he exists.

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Lol.Thanks. Like I said, I'll be back later, gonna take a nap.

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I was reading an old post and I thought you were so funny about the wigs hiding the plants LOL still laughing.....then I seen another dude with the same avatar I'm running TIME FOR A CHANGE!! alohas!

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the finches were originally identical 1 species they have changed physically very quickly(beak shape etc..) to meet there dietary requirements of the island there on thats my point thats an example of an organism evolving. they were originally identical and are now changing over generations to meet there needs based on which island there on in the galapagos chain. that shows a direct example of recent evolution of a species and natural selection this is where darwin did his original research on this subject. same thing with the tortoise population 1 species originally. separated on different islands changing quickly over generations to meet the required needs(longer necks etc...) to survive and reproduce its really very simple and easily observed in nature all over the world. science is not perfect our always right and cant explain all things but at least it involves critical thinking and is based on knowledge learned through trial and error. creationism is based on nothing more than faith and superstition and does not rely on anything more than that.

I generally avoid posting on this type of thread because I dislike drawing the personal attacks and religious hatred which tends to overpower the actual thread theme, but I’ll play along as long as everyone respects the rules posted by TheHighClub.

Initially I assumed this thread was concerning the origin of the human specie on this planet and not just if evolution exists. If I am correct in that assumption then we are discussing Creationism and Evolutionism.

I will not dispute the occurrence of minute changes (aka evolving) that many life forms exhibit, however even the irrefutable proof of natural selection under the glare of modern day science wanes into speculation or an academic guessing game at best. I still have yet to see an alligator with a single feather, or any other proof that one species can "evolve" into another. If there is one out there that I’m unaware of please set me straight.

The Bible records the beginning of mankind at about 4,000 B.C., and secular history is eerily silent before 4,000 B.C. If I were an evolutionist, I would be extremely disturbed by this FACT. Please show me any recorded civilization before 4,000 B.C. and I don't mean some pottery shards or cave paintings. I would be very interested in any recorded evidence of civilization prior to 4,000 B.C. It can't be done, and in fact it is difficult to find much recorded history before 2,500 B.C.
These facts absolutely scream discrepancy - I would be floored to find that humans only learned to communicate/write less than 4000 years ago and now we are sending super computers the size of a pack of cigarettes into space? I find that less than a compelling argument. There were NO planes, cars, computers, refrigerators, electricity, lights, gas, powered-equipment, telephones, recording devices, CD players, MP3 players, electric razors, televisions, record players, movie cameras, or a million other modern technological inventions--just a mere 170 years ago. Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. So why didn't mankind discover any of this stuff 100,000,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago for that matter?

In his pivotal opus Origin of Species (1859) Darwin presented various evidences for proof of evolution. Among these he sited domestic breeding, anatomical similarities among species (“homology”), the sequential order of fossils, the presence of “vestigial” organs, and the natural phenomenon which he dubbed “natural selection.”

In the century-and-a-half since Darwin published his work, advances in science have made some of these various evidences for evolution dubious. For example, in Darwin’s day it was believed that there were dozens of vestigial organs in the human body. Estimates have ranged from 80 to 200. Scientists at the time did not know what purpose these organs served so they assumed that they were useless vestiges from our evolutionary past. One-hundred fifty years later, only a handful of so-called vestigial organs remain. Scientists have discovered biological functions for the rest. Moreover, critics of Darwin’s theory point out that if vestigial organs are truly useless, the progression is towards a loss of function, not new function. Darwinian evolution requires biological innovation.

Advances in genetics have also shown new light upon the dynamics of homology (anatomical similarities among species) and domestic breeding (the ability of breeders to produce dramatic changes in domestic animal populations by selecting individuals to breed, thereby suppressing and emphasizing traits gradually over time). It is now known that structural similarities do not necessary equal genetic relationship and there appear to be genetic limits to the potential for biological change. A bird can adapt to its environment to a certain degree but it is extremely doubtful that it could cross genetic boundaries to evolve into a reptile, for example.

Advocates for Darwinian evolution believe that genetics have provided a new mechanism for biological innovation in the form of genetic mutation. The incorporation of genetics into Darwinian evolution has produced what is now known as the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis. Nevertheless, the debate rages on whether or not mutations simply destroy existing genetic structure or whether they can provide new genetic information, which Darwinian evolution requires. While Darwinian evolution remains the dominant biological paradigm, there is a growing minority of scientists who “are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.” (From A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism, signed by over 680 Ph.D. scientists.)


Darwin's Theory of Evolution - The Premise
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related. Darwin's general theory presumes the development of life from non-life and stresses a purely naturalistic (undirected) "descent with modification". That is, complex creatures evolve from more simplistic ancestors naturally over time. In a nutshell, as random genetic mutations occur within an organism's genetic code, the beneficial mutations are preserved because they aid survival -- a process known as "natural selection." These beneficial mutations are passed on to the next generation. Over time, beneficial mutations accumulate and the result is an entirely different organism (not just a variation of the original, but an entirely different creature).
Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Natural Selection
While Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a relatively young archetype, the evolutionary worldview itself is as old as antiquity. Ancient Greek philosophers such as Anaximander postulated the development of life from non-life and the evolutionary descent of man from animal. Charles Darwin simply brought something new to the old philosophy -- a plausible mechanism called "natural selection." Natural selection acts to preserve and accumulate minor advantageous genetic mutations. Suppose a member of a species developed a functional advantage (it grew wings and learned to fly). Its offspring would inherit that advantage and pass it on to their offspring. The inferior (disadvantaged) members of the same species would gradually die out, leaving only the superior (advantaged) members of the species. Natural selection is the preservation of a functional advantage that enables a species to compete better in the wild. Natural selection is the naturalistic equivalent to domestic breeding. Over the centuries, human breeders have produced dramatic changes in domestic animal populations by selecting individuals to breed. Breeders eliminate undesirable traits gradually over time. Similarly, natural selection eliminates inferior species gradually over time.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Slowly But Surely...
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a slow gradual process. Darwin wrote, "…Natural selection acts only by taking advantage of slight successive variations; she can never take a great and sudden leap, but must advance by short and sure, though slow steps. Darwin conceded that, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." Such a complex organ would be known as an "irreducibly complex system". An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If even one part is missing, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. Thus, such a system could not have evolved slowly, piece by piece. The common mousetrap is an everyday non-biological example of irreducible complexity. It is composed of five basic parts: a catch (to hold the bait), a powerful spring, a thin rod called "the hammer," a holding bar to secure the hammer in place, and a platform to mount the trap. If any one of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not work. Each individual part is integral. The mousetrap is irreducibly complex.

And we don't need a microscope to observe irreducible complexity. The eye, the ear and the heart are all examples of irreducible complexity, though they were not recognized as such in Darwin's day. Nevertheless, Darwin confessed, "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

I guess the long and short of this dissertation is that Darwin himself contradicted his own theory of natural selection by stating that our own ocular organs could have not occurred through natural selection – thus the entire theory of evolution/natural selection implodes upon itself.
Peace
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Until these recent years i believe man has always searched for a [Creator] like the old Frankenstein.It was a source of comfort and income,churches knock down serious non taxable funds.Here's one for you ,all cultures have a great flood in there history but most of the cultures lived.They found the crater that the meteor left for that one.Just the other day they found a meteorite that had amino acids.I believe in Science not a book written by jews then rewritten by a tyrant.Science is black and white fact.Not a book written by a human with no real evidence.I do believe that the ten commandments were a essential part of the work called the bible because they are a list of do's and dont's.Anyway thats my 2 cents peace.

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I believe in the creation of this world, I am also open to the creation of other worlds, the universe is endless that is a hard concept to understand but I believe God created this world and would not be obligated to tell us about the fact that he created other worlds. Since the bible does not say that we are alone in the universe it leaves that open as a possibility and knowing how wonderfully complex the God that created this world is I would be surprised if there were other worlds.