I don't know, we has reinvented himself countless times on here.He certainly doesn't post any more.I'm usually pretty good at these things.Time will tell.

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Your absolutely right, God sure played favorites when he let Jesus get nailed to that tree.... And when he let Moses sit in a desert for 40 years and then wouldn't let him enter the promised land. I'm so jealous. I wish I was God's favorite.

You can do better Stoney, that was weak. You were doing better when you were challenging the authenticity of the bible, that I was actually interested in, but this... I'm disappointed.

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In the Bible,he resurrected Jesus, didn't he?He certainly didn't do that for the rest of his "flock".Are you gonna follow me around threads and harass me now, blind?Take little digs here and there where you can?I could give a rat's ass if you're interested or not.Prove me wrong or get lost.Have a problem with me, take it to pms.

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I happen to enjoy this section of the forum, and I'm just having fun. You're so defensive that any reply that differs from your opinion will be treated hostile instead of approaching the issue with diplomacy. I could care less about taking my little digs, but when it's that easy... I just think to myself what would Stoney Do? and I look at my bracelet, and here we are. Lighten up, this is in good fun, not a personal attack, read back through my posts, they've all been civil....ish.

Walk it off,

-Blind

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Well, you seem to be attacking me on my character in TWO separate threads at once.I'd have to say that seems pretty hostile to me, taking the time to enter two threads I'm in and debate me on the same thing in both of them.Since you have in this thread said my argument was weak(without even addressing the argument of x15 which preceded it because it agreed with your beliefs),and in another thread said I was a hypocrite,I think it's safe to assume that you are indeed taking a swipe at me.Because you're not arguing against what I'm saying, point by point,and detailing why it's so wrong, you're attacking from two different fronts on one subject:Me personally.If you have a problem with me personally, pm me.If you think I'm wrong, do the legwork that everyone else on here does when they debate and point out which part of my arguments are faulty and detail why you think that is so.I'm not here to cater to you personally.

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Okay back to the point you made about not resurrecting the rest of the flock.. Here we go..

Christians believe that their resurrection will happen during the second coming of Christ, so it's end times Armageddon type stuff. Then basically Hell will be unleashed upon the earth and those that are deemed "worthy" will be saved and taken to salvation along with all the other departed souls that have died, that will be the resurrection of the "chosen" people which is really anyone who accepts Jesus and they all live happily ever after. You should look up some stories about end time stuff, particularly the three days of darkness. My step dad told me those stories as a kid because I wasn't originally religious. So if you believe that Jesus rose, which you don't, Then everyone else's resurrection will come once he returns, which you don't believe either. So I hope that put some perspective on the whole favorites thing, there's no such thing.. actually the people God favors usually have a ton of terrible things happen to them according to the Bible.

There are two types of Christians,

Those who believe based on fear and those who believe based on true love of God. I like to think I'm not a believer because of fear, but I'm not going to lie, eternity is a scary concept, if it wasn't God who invented that tormenting reminder then kudos to the bastard who did for scaring a whole world full of people. Those who believe based of love almost make me sick, which is sad in a way. I mean just having a deep respect for God is one thing, but people who... damn just got your reply, gimme time to finish! Moving on, people who sing Christian music at the top of their lungs and what me to hold hands and always saying God Be with You! like they're some kind of Jesus Jedi, come on that's fake.

Anyways, in response to above post about not going with the point by point approach, I was in the process of doing so.. I'll post again once I re-read through some of x15's posts because apparently I missed something.

-Blind

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Why did I need to comment on x15's posts? All he did was comment about your God hating females stance with a bunch of bible verses. I already posted my view on that issue so responding to his posts wouldn't accomplish much.

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I know all about the resurrection/Armageddon stuff, I was raised a Jehovah's witness, that's about all my mom talked about. Of course the Christian god has favorites, they're his flock.THEY are the ones supposedly worthy to inherit the earth after the Apocalypse.(As for wandering the desert for 40 years,if I'm not mistaken, Moses did that on his own because his people were whining about returning home).The reason his favorites have bad stuff happen to them is because he's a sadist,IMO.If he's omnipotent, he knows everything, and the outcome of everything.He knew Abraham(It was abe, right) would sacrifice his son for him, but made him go through the motions until just right before the deed.He knew Jesus would allow himself to be sacrificed(remember, this is if I believed he existed),and yet did it anyway.there was no logical reason for this sacrifice;it's a guilt trip that's been placed upon us.But this thread is about creationism, which is absolutely based on Christian faith, and does NOT belonmg in schools.Creationists seek to undermine the definition of science itself;just google what's going on in the Kansas school district where this crap is happening.They want to enforce ignorance in order to maintain their belief system, and ultimately, their power over humanity.It must not be allowed to happen.

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Because the arguments were faulty, like you said mine were.

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I get what you mean about the whole Guilt Trip Scenario, step dad tried playing that game for years, and it worked for awhile too. There is more to religion then guilt trips. Real religion is always strongest amongst the poor, third world countries and such because they need something to believe in. In the states I feel that the religious organizations are just worried about image and money which takes away from the whole thing.

I still don't agree with your favorites concept. God would let his followers go through all kinds of torments just to prove a point. I think it was Job, correct me if I'm wrong, he had his family, farm, and health all taken away so God could win a bet against the devil to see if Job would still believe. Again, if that's favoritism, I don't want anything to do with it. Where I'm from, creationism is only taught in Private schools not in Public. If they are going to teach how the World began all sides should be represented equally and briefly.

Any Christian with common sense has embraced the fact that not everything in the Bible was without flaw, how can it be, it was written all those years ago before we had the advances in technology and science, what is common knowledge now wasn't back in the day (which was a Wednesday by the way) they took what information they had and interpreted it to the best of their understanding. The message remains the same when it comes down to fundamentals, and that is the message that Christians embrace.

The logical reason for Jesus to be crucified that Christians believe in is, (you're gonna love this ) to rid mankind of Original Sin and unlock the gates of heaven. Here's the catch... in order for original sin to be fully purged one must undergo the sacrament of Baptism.

In regards to God's methods of why he lets bad things happen, you will hear many Christians reply with, "We as humans do not have the capacity to understand God's reasoning." Then you will be told that only he can see the whole picture and that everything happens for a reason. That's the belief/justification for that good ol scenario. That response tends to piss me off (usually only when it comes from my step dad.)

It kind of sounds like I'm thrashing my own religion a bit, well I am. I hate hypocrites, and man my sect of Christianity sure has a bunch of em. They are more worried about everything being verbatim instead of realizing the actual importance of the attitude Jesus was taking towards tradition and rules. If your sheep is drowning on sabbath are you not going to go in after it? He pointed out all the flaws of taking everything verbatim and now we completely ignore that.

Their faults still do not change what I believe though, and I do believe in his message and do my best to live my life accordingly.. but I'm not perfect, but that's okay. Hey, It was Jesus that was hanging out with the so called Pagans and Tax collectors, so he'd feel more at home chillin with me then with some self righteous establishment anyway.

I gave you all this background so you know I am not one sided on this issue and despite my name I have thought about all of this a lot. Every question you have asked, every point so far you have brought up, I've fought and argued about for hours on end. You can call bullshit if you like, but you are not putting your stance forward on what you actually believe in. Your trying to discredit Christianity without listing valid alternatives. Where's the benefit in that? I'd rather be lead wrong then lead nowhere.

-blind

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