Which came first, the chicken or the egg? - Page 2

dumbassdrummer · #11 07-03-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by krime13

there is no chicken, or the egg, just matter and energy...

Rather, the chicken and the egg are concepts we apply to particular arrangements of energy and matter for two reasons: 1) convenience 2) to denote particular relationships between the two arrangements of matter and energy.

krime13 · #12 07-03-2007, 12:56 AM

Now isnt it more fun?

krime13 · #13 07-03-2007, 01:09 AM

and now the conclusion: the chicken and the egg are the same thing!

notsoslimjim · #14 07-03-2007, 04:55 AM

I would have to go with the egg.... i agree with the idea that some relative of the bird laid an egg that had genetic mutations that caused it to become what we now know to be the Chicken....
peace

ramblerpimp209 · #15 07-03-2007, 09:08 PM

When did the nuggets get here?

midgradeindasouth · #16 07-03-2007, 09:14 PM

Did man create God?

midgradeindasouth · #17 07-03-2007, 09:59 PM

If there is a god then the chicken came first.
The egg needs the chicken to nurse it and sit on it for warmth.

Let there be chickens.
Cluck cluck scracth
Ca kaw

space_weaseal · #18 07-03-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by krime13

there is no chicken, or the egg, just matter and energy...

Matter and energy wont make you a chicken sandwitch, "Unless its a matter of killing a chicken and putting energy into making a sandwitch"
Sorry had to do it ..Its been a long day..

dumbassdrummer · #19 07-03-2007, 11:12 PM

"and now the conclusion: the chicken and the egg are the same thing!"

No, not really. They are two different "things" (chicken and egg), similar in that they are composed of the same "thing" (energy/matter) but due to the varying composition we can accurately call them two different things.

Unless you're working off a monistic view of the universe, in which case I should say they are two different representations of the same thing, but, really, at this point, we are just struggling with the semantics of metaphysics, a struggle that has lead some philosophers to deny that metaphysical inquiries have any value past the practice of logical thought.

"If there is a god then the chicken came first.
The egg needs the chicken to nurse it and sit on it for warmth."

Not necessarily. First, the egg only requires protection and warmth, something that could be provided by a chicken-like, but not necessarily chicken, creature. Further, if there is a God, the evolutionary process is not automatically disregarded as God and evolution do not necessarily conflict (only some understandings of God conflict with evolution, silly understandings that defy logic).

krime13 · #20 07-04-2007, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dumbassdrummer

"and now the conclusion: the chicken and the egg are the same thing!"

No, not really. They are two different "things" (chicken and egg), similar in that they are composed of the same "thing" (energy/matter) but due to the varying composition we can accurately call them two different things.

Unless you're working off a monistic view of the universe, in which case I should say they are two different representations of the same thing, but, really, at this point, we are just struggling with the semantics of metaphysics, a struggle that has lead some philosophers to deny that metaphysical inquiries have any value past the practice of logical thought.

"If there is a god then the chicken came first.
The egg needs the chicken to nurse it and sit on it for warmth."

Not necessarily. First, the egg only requires protection and warmth, something that could be provided by a chicken-like, but not necessarily chicken, creature. Further, if there is a God, the evolutionary process is not automatically disregarded as God and evolution do not necessarily conflict (only some understandings of God conflict with evolution, silly understandings that defy logic).

thats exagtly it 2 manifestations of the same thing, and considering that most "real" science evolved from metaphisics...However, didnt Einstine already prouved that energy and matter are one and the same? I mean you can easily transform one into another, much like the chicken and the egg...