Originally Posted by mj320002

Hah you guys are stupid. I have to admit I do watch a lot of conspiracy videos and the history channel. Really though how long will it take before you realize it's all bs. Just like the bs you get from the regular news and many other sources. It's all sensationalized and blown way out of preportion. Every president is going to be the one to turn us into a dictatorship. Remember the Bush administration and all the conspiracy stuff and how they were all predicting a major disaster or terrorist attack to happen then we would have a police state. OMG it didn't happen. Now Obama is a fascist who is going to use the financial crisis to take over the world. Wasn't the world supposed to end in 2000?

The point I'm getting at is it's a big world so a lot of people are going to see things that may or may not be there. Yes our government sucks. Honestly though I think they are trying to make things the best they can. Of course that is limited by politics and there desire to be reelected by the droves and droves of stupid people that make up there constituencies. Live your life and don't get all worked up over imaginary things. If you can't walk out your front door and see the things you're afraid of then they're all in your head.

Originally Posted by jfgordon1

Dude, what don't you believe? New World Order? North American Union? Globalization? it's all coming man...

you know your labeled an extremist for being against technology, anti-abortion, anarchist, pro-patriot movement (link their
beliefs to those commonly associated with the American
Revolution).

^ all came from this Department of Homeland Security document if you don't believe me http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/lexicon.pdf

Seriously read this people. Skip to the 3rd page to get to the point.

Edit: this war on terrorism has turned into a war on it's people.

Originally Posted by NoDrama

If you fall under any of those definitions ( probably 90% of the population does) you will be considered a domestic terrorist. As we all know terrorists have no rights at all, no Habeus Corpus, you will be pulled out of your home without warrant, locked up in a cell with no formal charges, tortured daily and spend the rest of your life in a hole. The patriot act has been passed and it clearly states that these things are totally legal for the US gov't to do to any terrorist, they already have done it.

The stupidity of torture as a means of extracting any type of useful information has long been noted. Stalin’s chief executioner Lavrenti Beria once joked that you could give him a man for one night of torture, and next morning he’d produce a signed confession from the man swearing he’s the Queen of England. A lifelong professional torturer, he would’ve known.

Originally Posted by jfgordon1

very good points there man. once you give the government the right to torture, they will soon move that right to you. Thats why you can't let them get away with that stuff. Got to stand up for the constitution.. simply as that.