Don't forget the anti-neutrino too! Yeah, E=mc2 is a very love/hate equation for me....but mostly love....

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Perhaps for personal perception...in a viseral humanistic sense....I guess. But I think he was talking about tangible science and you're referring to spirituality...saying consciousness is basic foundation of the universe is kind of like saying Oprah is the Anti-Christ...sounds intriguing but just has no substantial meaning to those of us who don't need an answer, (or at least don't think we're the reason for the existence of the universe), for our own existential comfort. Not saying you're wrong, I just think it's a subjective ideology, and you shouldn't claim your postulations so factual.

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Well said, subjective ideology is a good way to describe it. Have you seen the holographic universe theory?

My belief is similar to Bob's that consciousness is a necessary factor for ANYTHING to exist. I think it goes back to the sound of a tree falling in the woods with no one around. We in no way directly experience our surroundings we only see our brains interpretation of electrical signals. Therefor it seems only logical that consciousness must be absolute and inherent to the universe.

I also base this on my personal experience.

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I haven't "studied" a lot of quantem physics but I have read a little bit. I'm pretty sure they are arriving to the conclusion that the observer directly affects the experiment. Which means that consciousness, or at least the act of observing changes what will happen.

I have been thinking about this for sometime now.

Idk if this is how it works or not but light is a particle and a wave right?

Well when tripping on psilocybin you can see shit just fall. For example I watched my dresser, not melt, but for those of you who have experienced psilocybin you know what i mean. Now if consciousness, normal consciousness is what is responsible for holding light into position, then maybe its the psilocybin that inhibits this somehow and allows you to see light as it really is...a wave.

Maybe ...idk

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That really frustrated Einstein, the observer really does effect the outcome of the experiment. Cool stuff.

Here is a small tribute to our friend Psilocybin

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In regards to that, I didn't want to touch it, I believe Sweat C stated it has no mass, I fall on the side of it having Mass....but that is still debated today as well,.................btw this is some good shit guys, I've been busy all day looking up stuff.......

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Is Oprah the anti-christ ?




Why of course not, but is no doubt in the service of some evil entity just as Pat Robertson and Dick Cheney.

Anti-Christ ?

No such critter to be found along my path. Sounds like one of those Semitic Deities/devils which originated in the Middle-East and so very far away from the land of my people.

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The Sky is Falling ?

Think about it. If observing an experiment changes the outcome then what is the point of looking for a basic unit (or building block) of the universe by smashing atoms. I'm pretty sure that is what they are doing at CERN. If they expect to find something...then they will lol.

I'm gonna order a syringe of Penis Envy. I hear the flushes aren't huge but the shroom itself is...so I plan on tripping my balls off in about 2-3 months haha.

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Nope, no mass. There's not any debate among REAL scientists on this. I've heard a few quacks with no real scientific background try to allege that light has mass.......some people. You might be getting confused with the fact that light is energy, and in fact, mass is 'essentially' energy. In fact, through nuclear reactions like pair production, a photon can become a positron and electron which both obviously have mass. But again, there are no real plausible theories of light having mass. Glad to see that you're taking an interest in this stuff!

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indeed it is bro, you haven't done your research if you are able to say that with such gleaming conviction......along with those plausible theories that are backed up with the equations.....I personally had a conversation with a very Reputable Physicist......who felt the same way only because it is impossible to measure with our technology, but stated as some theories and equations have been put forth, if it was possible to trap and contain the light, that it is possible that it would indeed add Mass to that empty space........it's just all about how you wish to follow the information, and it's not just an interest, well it's my life you see......

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