Originally Posted by Drgreenz

ps. god doesn't build anything on carnage.... that ended when he gave us a little thing called free will and thus stopped being in control of what we do.

Originally Posted by FLoJo

this has turned into a redundant dick.. i mean iq measuring competition..

yes space and man down to the cell is infinitely complex, and breaks down much further than our understanding (mandelbrot fractals) and that goes for the same when expanding into the vacuum of space

and yes it is a tough question to answer when speaking about the way humans are carnal.. but that is not just humans, that is every life form, and that is not just life forms either, it happens in non life forms as well..

just as the croc swallows the water buffalo and extracts the energy to keep itself going, as does our earths crust swallow land at the tectonic plates and turns it back to liquid magma, that is then recycled through volcanic eruptions from the depths of the ocean to the tops of mountains..

just as man conquers and expands the life and land around him, so do the galaxies that are constantly expanding and absorbing matter, planets colliding, and black holes swallowing the space around them...

the point is that this argument should not be an argument, simply because it is a matter of opinion, and since we are all future mensa members, we obviously know the fallacy of any philisophical argument.. well any argument for that matter.. and that is that if you know how to shift the debate from one point to another, each point can be indefinitely argued from every different angle, thus never reaching a logical conclusion

some will look at the cyclical nature of the universe and will see a magnificient creation that was birthed from divine intervention, others will look at the destructive nature of the universe and see a cynical redundancy deprived of a fair balance, while others still will look at the universe and see a constantly growing evolving collection of atoms that occured from nothingness and be happy with that.

nobody can prove the theory of god, nobody can prove the theory wrong.. nobody can prove the theory of evolution, nobody can prove it wrong, nobody can prove the theory of intelligent extra terrestreal life, and nobody can prove it wrong..hell nobody can prove any theory right or wrong because they are only theorys until something better comes along..

so what im trying to say is fuck all of your IQs, prove me wrong LOL

FLo

Originally Posted by CrackerJax

On earth, they are the same statistically speaking.

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Originally Posted by CrackerJax

I am an atheist BECAUSE of my reasoning power. I cannot believe in things not in evidence. I certainly cannot adopt a view which is derived form a pre-scientific age.

I lean towards events that have a certitude.

If some supreme being showed up tomorrow, I would not go into denial about it.

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