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Old 02-16-2009, 06:26 AM
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is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme natural God exists and created the physical universe, and that religious truths can be arrived at by the application of reason and observation of the natural world.

Deists asserted that reason could find evidence of God in nature and that God had created the world and then left it to operate under the natural laws he had devised.

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This is what I believe in..
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Creationism minus the miracles. How pessimistic!

There's no logic to stand on(any action a god takes that god would know the eternal repercussions of, omniscient and omnipotent, freewill would therefore be BS, and *immutable* fate/destiny is the only truth). Kind of reminds me of the Hindu caste system.

But enjoy your faith, for whatever it's worth.
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Creationism exists in the bible. Deism does not follow the "God created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th". We dont follow anything in the bible whatsoever.

Is it not far fetched to assume that God knows the multiple choices layed out before you, but do not know which you will take?
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What do you follow?

Why is it that all gods appear to inherit the fallacies of those [humans] which created them?
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Surely, you're not stereotyped by Wikipedia articles/<insert website here>???
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What do you follow?

Why is it that all gods appear to inherit the fallacies of those [humans] which created them?
What do I follow? Just the belief that there is a God in the heavens, but truly loves us regardless of our choices, as our time on earth is a but a blip in eternity. I'm not even going to speak of "punishment" in the afterlife because that's only for God to decide. God would not create a puzzle(religion) for you to love him.

It is insulting God's intelligence to say that anyone speaks for him or any religion does.

What fallacies does he inherit in Deism?

Thank you for showing disagreeable respect.
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What is love? If you don't mind me asking.

I don't see how an eternity(infinity) of ANYTHING(heaven vs hell, for instance) is justified by a finite amount of 'humanly imperfect' actions. For instance, infinity divided by any finite amount is still infinity. And conversely a finite number divided by infinity is always zero(or converges, as calculus would dictate).

Deism would not necessarily mean an afterlife, as far as my understanding of it goes.

Fallacies are numerous. Simply the existence of a being with infinite attributes in a finite universe is the biggest problem I see. Occam's razor is another, that is the simplest explanation is typically the correct one.... Adding these seemingly impossible attributes where they need not be attributed to attain the identical result.

There would also seem to be no [surprise] reaction to his creation(s). That is, a god would have known what would have resulted from his creations. He'd see it and say, "Oh, that's how I intended it to be. I created it will full omniscience, after all."

The typically theistic response to this is, "well, God designed it so he'd not know and you'd have free will."

And my only response is, "so why call him a god?"

NOTE: I always use "a god"/"gods", there are THOUSANDS of them(at least claims). The term 'God' should be replaceable by a proper name(Allah, etc). When 'a god'/'gods' is replaceable with any classification(a dog, a cat, a human, dogs, cats, humans, etc.)
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What is love? If you don't mind me asking.
a mixture of brain chemicals induced when you feel certain things.

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I don't see how an eternity(infinity) of ANYTHING(heaven vs hell, for instance) is justified by a finite amount of 'humanly imperfect' actions. For instance, infinity divided by any finite amount is still infinity. And conversely a finite number divided by infinity is always zero(or converges, as calculus would dictate).
Infinity is Infinity, but even in space only, there is certain stages and transitions of the universe.

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Not necessarily, but we are all afraid of what happens after death.

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Fallacies are numerous. Simply the existence of a being with infinite attributes in a finite universe is the biggest problem I see. Occam's razor is another, that is the simplest explanation is typically the correct one.... Adding these seemingly impossible attributes where they need not be attributed to attain the identical result.

There would also seem to be no [surprise] reaction to his creation(s). That is, a god would have known what would have resulted from his creations. He'd see it and say, "Oh, that's how I intended it to be. I created it will full omniscience, after all."

The typically theistic response to this is, "well, God designed it so he'd not know and you'd have free will."
God cannot design something and NOT know the possible outcomes. That is the purpose of design. However, the human mind is powerful but incredibly simplistic at the same time. Emotions control the vast of us and based on your experiences on earth, of your choice or not. If negativity makes you negative, or if you are above it and continue to put one foot in front of the other.
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a mixture of brain chemicals induced when you feel certain things.
So a god must have a brain to love his creations? But brains are physical.... So you believe your god is also physical?

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Not necessarily, but we are all afraid of what happens after death.
I don't fear death. Certainly not what happens after death. I see it as I will no longer have consciousness. My brains ceases to function.

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God cannot design something and NOT know the possible outcomes. That is the purpose of design. However, the human mind is powerful but incredibly simplistic at the same time. Emotions control the vast of us and based on your experiences on earth, of your choice or not. If negativity makes you negative, or if you are above it and continue to put one foot in front of the other.
Simplistic? Compared to what? The brain is probably the most complex structure known.

In certain schools of Buddhism it is taught that attachment to unchanging atman(a term encompassing: eternal soul/spirit, self, and even ego) is a cause for misery and suffering.

Is this why you fear death? Uncertainty of the self or 'not self'.
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Is it not far fetched to assume that God knows the multiple choices layed out before you, but do not know which you will take?
Sounds like a sucky deity if he isn't all knowing.
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