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lol, i never mentioned a white hippie - thats a very western view - he was from the middle east after all. the mexican thing?? i wont engage in that
as for the meaning of "christ" - i feel you are giving you own interpretation, and i feel a member of a messianic sect of judaism (as the chap in question surely was, being "the Nazarene") would also disagree.

i also very much agree that christ and buddha correlate, and feel that heaven and hell are just release and rebirth, after all, the bible was not written by jesus, and has been reduced and reshaped, removing many books as most of us know, and shaped/misinterpreted the message to suit various synods and councils.
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I'm a theology maj and a Christian, so let's see if I can give you some insight...

Christ comes from the greek word kristos, it's a title, and as you guys have pointed out, it means something along the lines of savior...the term itself is basically interchangeable with the hebrew word Mashiach, which means messiah, and as ya'll have pointed out earlier, "anointed one"

As to the meaning of "anointed one," Judaism has a completely different meaning than Christianity. Since Judaism is the context in which the whole Jesus thing went down, it's helpful to think about it from a Judaic viewpoint. They thought their messiah would be some sort of mighty military king; someone who would reclaim the throne of King David and secure Israel's kingdom forever. The basic difference between what Christians then believe is that God did send a messiah to Israel (and the rest of the world, but Israel first), but didn't do it in the way the Jews all expected it would. Jesus came as a non-violent messiah, one who was outright denied by many Jews, and for the purpose of securing a new covenant with humanity. This was really nuts because the Christ was exactly the opposite of what the Jews thought he would be...instead of leading them to military victory, he was killed in a graphic, public, shameful way.

In doing so, Christ did not secure Israel as a nation. In fact, it got wiped completely off the map in 70 AD through Roman destruction. He did however (and here's where the religious aspects of Christ come into play) die in order to create a new covenant between man and God; that is, as I'm sure you've all heard a million times before, the forgiveness of sins. Essentially the death of death in the death of Christ.
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I'm a theology maj and a Christian, so let's see if I can give you some insight...

Christ comes from the greek word kristos, it's a title, and as you guys have pointed out, it means something along the lines of savior...the term itself is basically interchangeable with the hebrew word Mashiach, which means messiah, and as ya'll have pointed out earlier, "anointed one"

As to the meaning of "anointed one," Judaism has a completely different meaning than Christianity. Since Judaism is the context in which the whole Jesus thing went down, it's helpful to think about it from a Judaic viewpoint. They thought their messiah would be some sort of mighty military king; someone who would reclaim the throne of King David and secure Israel's kingdom forever. The basic difference between what Christians then believe is that God did send a messiah to Israel (and the rest of the world, but Israel first), but didn't do it in the way the Jews all expected it would. Jesus came as a non-violent messiah, one who was outright denied by many Jews, and for the purpose of securing a new covenant with humanity. This was really nuts because the Christ was exactly the opposite of what the Jews thought he would be...instead of leading them to military victory, he was killed in a graphic, public, shameful way.

In doing so, Christ did not secure Israel as a nation. In fact, it got wiped completely off the map in 70 AD through Roman destruction. He did however (and here's where the religious aspects of Christ come into play) die in order to create a new covenant between man and God; that is, as I'm sure you've all heard a million times before, the forgiveness of sins. Essentially the death of death in the death of Christ.
GOD BLESS YOU TERO =)

MY HEART IS LIFTED TO KNOW THAT IM NOT THE ONLY ONE ENJOYING this "GARDEN OF EDEN" (metephor for our new COVENANT between man and GOD)... I believe that through Christ we have been wiped clean of our MANY MANY MANY sins... and he still loves us regardless... All we had to do was accept this free gift that was given to us... yes... i mean CHRIST!

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whatever he is, he's definately not a mushroom. so forget that one.
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He's a crutch for those that need it, and one of the only two imaginary friends you can believe are real as an adult without getting send to a mental hospital.
A 2000+ year old never ending bad joke.

I'm NOT implying that CHRIST is a drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE CHRIST!!!
but i like weed...
is that a sin?

(judge not lest thou be judged... let him who has no sins cast the first stone...)
remember that........?
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(judge not lest thou be judged... let him who has no sins cast the first stone...)
remember that........?
Yea, I remember that from catholic school.. Doesn't apply to me since I'm an athiest now.

But sure, rock on... I don't care what you believe, I just like to poke fun though.
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Yea, I remember that from catholic school.. Doesn't apply to me since I'm an athiest now.

But sure, rock on... I don't care what you believe, I just like to poke fun though.
THis is a... What is Christ thread, right?
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I'm NOT implying that CHRIST is a drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE CHRIST!!!
but i like weed...
is that a sin?
sin is a hard concept to grasp when it comes to weed. In my opinion, the government has kept weed illegal unfairly. However, I can imagine most Christians you will talk to would believe, under the pretext of the duty to local authority, that smoking weed is a sin. This then becomes a tough moral issue because the illegality of weed seems to be an unjust law. So as Christians should we break that law, or should we just blindly obey it? It's a toughie. Personally, I feel the need to educate, and correct Christians who have biased or unclear knowledge on the subject based on propaganda or other mediums. It's interesting to wonder how Christians would feel about weed if it were legalized...would it be ok then? And is that what holds most Christians back? Disregarding local law, I think a few arguments can be made for and against marijuana from a Christian standpoint.

Against marijuana of course is the idea of "asocialism," meaning the slacker effect. If you're stoned, chances are you're contented through it and don't need to look elsewhere for fulfillment. The danger in this is that Jesus is supposed to be our fulfillment...so when weed becomes the focus of one's life, and one is content just toking all day, then it can be a dark thing for a lot of people. However, in opposition to this would be an argument similar to that of beer. It is a substance that makes a person happy, mellows them out, and relaxes them. In this argument, if cannabis is used and not abused, it is alright for a Christian to partake in it.

A third, and separate issue is the idea of medical marijuana. First off, the DEA and the FDA are not God. They do not have divine authority to tell me what is and isn't medicine or moral. In several states, we can even bypass the argument against local government because MM is legal. In my personal opinion, medical marijuana should be treated as any other medicine when it comes to interpreting it from a Christian viewpoint. It's helpful, but like any other medicine, it can be over abused as well. Naturally there are some maladies that require a lot of it, I don't think that's a bad thing, it's just the way it is. On a side note, MM is cheaper and more effective than FDA approved marinol, a drug that uses synthesized THC to relieve pain (at over 700 bucks a bottle)...and if you can grow it yourself, a good indica might give you better results regardless. It seems more immoral to me to develop a drug to make money rather than approve the same naturally growing substance for the simple reason it can't be patented. God made cannabis for a reason.
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sin is a hard concept to grasp when it comes to weed. In my opinion, the government has kept weed illegal unfairly. However, I can imagine most Christians you will talk to would believe, under the pretext of the duty to local authority, that smoking weed is a sin. This then becomes a tough moral issue because the illegality of weed seems to be an unjust law. So as Christians should we break that law, or should we just blindly obey it? It's a toughie. Personally, I feel the need to educate, and correct Christians who have biased or unclear knowledge on the subject based on propaganda or other mediums. It's interesting to wonder how Christians would feel about weed if it were legalized...would it be ok then? And is that what holds most Christians back? Disregarding local law, I think a few arguments can be made for and against marijuana from a Christian standpoint.

Against marijuana of course is the idea of "asocialism," meaning the slacker effect. If you're stoned, chances are you're contented through it and don't need to look elsewhere for fulfillment. The danger in this is that Jesus is supposed to be our fulfillment...so when weed becomes the focus of one's life, and one is content just toking all day, then it can be a dark thing for a lot of people. However, in opposition to this would be an argument similar to that of beer. It is a substance that makes a person happy, mellows them out, and relaxes them. In this argument, if cannabis is used and not abused, it is alright for a Christian to partake in it.

A third, and separate issue is the idea of medical marijuana. First off, the DEA and the FDA are not God. They do not have divine authority to tell me what is and isn't medicine or moral. In several states, we can even bypass the argument against local government because MM is legal. In my personal opinion, medical marijuana should be treated as any other medicine when it comes to interpreting it from a Christian viewpoint. It's helpful, but like any other medicine, it can be over abused as well. Naturally there are some maladies that require a lot of it, I don't think that's a bad thing, it's just the way it is. On a side note, MM is cheaper and more effective than FDA approved marinol, a drug that uses synthesized THC to relieve pain (at over 700 bucks a bottle)...and if you can grow it yourself, a good indica might give you better results regardless. It seems more immoral to me to develop a drug to make money rather than approve the same naturally growing substance for the simple reason it can't be patented. God made cannabis for a reason.
with that said, I believe people who take aspirin, bayer, ibuprofen, zoloft, ambien, etc.......which were technically illegal in a sense before becoming Gov. approved are all going to hell too. When I get headaches, belly aches, body pain, inablility to sleep, it's not because my body is low on any of the aforementioned drugs.......now I only mean this half heartedly ......just hoping to show the redundancy of what we choose to perceive and aknowledge as sin......You got a hotter ticket to Hell smoking a cigarette I believe.........
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