here's the issue; my stepdad and i always have these smoking debates about the weed of today vs the weed of "back in the day". he says that todays dank is good, but pales in comparison to the classics such as acapulco gold, panama red, thai stick, and (not fair) temple balls. i argue that those strains were the breeding start of alot of the strains we have today(skunk comes to mind). no matter what i bring him to smoke on, he is convinced. any of you older smokers able to recommend a couple of strains that remind you of when weed was sold by fingers and not grams??

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My dad seems to feel the opposite, saying that the best columbian tops were only about the quality of decent BC... And he had good connections and the best pot around. Whenever I show him some super-chron, he takes one or two hits and lays back. He agrees with your stepdad about the hash, although he prefered Turkish black, or turkish goverment issue Hash when the black wasn't around.

Trust me, my parents were as big a hippies as any, and they both say the fire I sometimes get blows their grass out of the water. I see two scenarios that could be happening here. Either your stepdad is having a difficult time admitting that your chronic is, well, more chronic than his was... Or you have been showing him ditch-weed. No insult intended, so don't take it the wrong way. I actually think it's more likely the first possibility I mentioned you seem to know what you are doing.

There was actually a study done in the 70's by the U.S. government (The CIA, in particular, I believe) where they tested various samples of weed seized from all over the world. Most of the samples came in somewhere between 3% and 13%, somewhere around there, except for Thai Sticks, which measured at 22%. The reason for this is that Thai Sticks were adulterated with hash oil before shipping. I wish people still adulterated thier weed with hash oil, wouldn't that be sick? Anyway, my point is they had seized some of the very pot you mentioned. I believe the Acapulco Gold and Panama Red tested in the low teens. So basically, they were the best unadulterated weed you could get. I have had many conversations with both my parents about this. The general concensus around here is that while the quality of weed has gone up, the quality and of hash has gone down a little, or at least the really good hash is way too hard to find, lol, but even regular hash only comes around so often... I have yet to show them bubble-hash though, so you never know.

Basically I think you are right. Your logic is also good. Many of these strains were the basis for many early Sativa/Indica Hybrids, which ultimately became the plethora of varieties available now. Of course weed is better now. Theres been decades of selective breeding, usually for potency alone. Nowdays people breed for color and flavor too, but if the potency hadn't been increased in the last couple decades, their efforts would be less rewarding. Anyway, it WOULD be nice to actually hear from someone who actually is from this generation. I'm sure my secondhand info is alright, but I know you are really looking for firsthand info. Just sharing my experience on this issue, hope I helped a little

+rep for you for taking the time to at least offer your opinion; out of 20 views, you are the first person to offer any help..... i have told him the facts, and smoked some really good weed with him over the years; but i think like you said, he just doesnt want to admit that they are at least "as good as".

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I sold a little pot around D.C. in the late 60"s . . . 120$ lb / 15 a lid (oz) and have grown my stash since the mid-70's. There were some 'special" strains back then . . . Santa Marta Gold comes to mind, Oxacan, others I can't spell, like Mish-me-a-con . . . there's no doubt in my mind that today's strains are much stronger. I mean, it don't get much better than one hit citrus, IMO.
Dad never smoked pot, RIP, but once we had just fluffed some "blond Lebanese" I think, and he came home from work early, so we dumped it in his pipe tobacco humidor type thingy.
I'll never forget the old bigot, kicked back in his red recliner, listening to Neil Young thru headphones that day. He never knew.

Footnote: I moved away right after hi-school and didn't see any of my family much after that. The sad thing is that Dad basically killed himself w/alcohol.
Maybe if I'd stayed around, he (and my 3 bros) would have seen pots not such a bad thing after all.

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that is awesome with your dad... you are obviously a man of much acquired weed wisdom; any strains come to mind to help me convert stubborn old man over to the smoke scene of our new millenium?


oh... its "michoacan"..(thanks google) i was familiar with the word you were thinking of and had to know how to spell it.

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"I don't like people who take drugs... Customs men for example." Mick Miller.

BACK IN THE DAY....when I was young & had alot of hair, it seems the smoke was much more potent than today. Now, mind you the smoke today is AWESOME! I am lovin' the seed banks that we never had back then, but it seems that smoke has evolved with time. We used to wear bellbottom pants and grow our hair long then, today if you do that, you are in fashion. Guess what I'm tryin' to say is what's old is new again!

Salute to you & your Dad!

From a guy older than dirt & still smokin'!!

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i love it.....you're old mans gotta point. oh how i remember 4 finger o's for $30.00 back in '79.........funny how there weren't a thousand names. i remember specifically the columbian red....and yes the buzz off the best was hallucinogenic .....great visuals and an absolute stooooopid high. maybe take him some good sativa, but good luck finding it. its all about stoner friendly strain names and 8 week grows now. nothin wrong with it...i love it. your dads oldschool and no matter what you give him in his eyes it will never be like " back in the day". what a great debate to have with the old man.....my son and i do the same....smokin every step of the way.

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[quote=earlymorninstonepeomp;959738]i love it.....you're old mans gotta point. oh how i remember 4 finger o's for $30.00 back in '79.........funny how there weren't a thousand names.=quote]


i think you are hitting on one of the major points here; back then, the different kinds of smoke were fewer; each strain having its own qualities, thus making each one its own unique smoking experience. now, i believe that those qualities have been mixed and meshed until most smokes now are just a gumbo of those old effects; with the occasional suprise thrown in here and there. one thing that constantly comes up is something like "back in the day, you were able to know your weed. if someone told you they had panama red, you didnt have to take their word for it; you could look at it and know; you could smoke it and know." just an example, but i can understand where he is coming from.. so now that i have a few old stoners' attention... any recommendations on a strain to grow for my pops? here's the severity of the situation; he dislikes modern commercial dank (and its price), that he smokes shwag; says its a better deal for your money....but if he could find something spectacular....

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