breeder seeds vs crossers

Semor90 yea it's saturday and u just won da " purple schwag backyard breeders award." Right now i'd like to thank jim ortega for this kush#4 cross i'm smokin on.

This was worth the read. As A longtime member I completely agree with keeping these trolls off RIU. I find it hilarious how frequently this happens to the trolls here. Thread gets started and the 1st comment knocks em' right down. Why can't the rest of the internet be this kind.

Originally Posted by MixedMelodyMindBender

Ya know shanti is hiring for a pole buffer....that should fit your chest pounding role nicely. No seriously, just check out his forum, he is literally looking for a pole buffer...you seem very qualified but your gonna have to lose that hate of yours, shanti is after all ...shanti if you even know what that means.

This coming from someone who jocks Sub's gear.... sorry no job openings, plenty in line for the job though. I hold Simon of Serious in high regards, say what you want.

Seriously why "everyone hatin"? The man stated facts, an F1 does not create a breed it creates a cross, and a breed by definition is one that breeds true, most of today's seed companies sell crosses and sure anyone can breed with them, but rarely do they create a breed, just a cross with multi phonos and shouldn't we, the buying public demand more from companies? Why hunt for the desired pheno, when with some time and work the "breeder" can create a stable seed line so everyone has 5/5 chances of getting the good one.

crossing IS breeding, WTF? what do you think breeders do? they look for the best strains they can find or ones with specific qualities they're out to combine and go to work. the better breeders test more seeds for that 1:100 keeper and test their males basically just doing all of the quality control that separates amateurs from pros. crossing any 2 top strains should provide something nice in between the two with some hybrid vigor too. sounds like a plan. who's doin' that? who's working with those great strains that are off the popularity contest radar.

there is an art to back crossing an F1 and starting to select for the perfect combination of traits from a strain and a good cross can compensate for a weakness in an otherwise awesome strain like ones that bud so profusely they break their stems or that have no flavor like white strains are famous for.

it's just art. i'll never get van gogh or picasso, but people pay big money for that stuff. it's up to the market to decide which hybrids they want and from which breeders. the better stuff will get raved about eventually.

you know, when you go back far enough, EVERYTHING was bagseed. sometimes too, that amazing pheno isn't bred for but is an accident like dumpster.

it's cool too that so many growers are tinkering with so many strains. a lot of good ones are nearly extinct because no one's crossing them except whatever breeder is working them at the moment. i thought malawi was extinct there for a minute after afropips' passing. that's a good strain for taking what's out there now and making stuff different from all of the haze reshuffling and potentially much better.

without so many people farting around with breeding, the market would be much smaller and more limited. that's not good. it IS good that there's a huge range of jack herer & super silver haze phenos from different crosses. i would have liked to have tried some pure accidental cinnamon girl pheno jack herer. that could have used a few generations of back crossing by anyone that would try it.

I never stated crossing wasn't breeding, to use your words "WTF"!!! LOL why is it that you and this other gentleman so quick to attack anything anyone says that is different from your you think, live in a red state much? HAHA sorry I'll leave political jokes out of this (I say jokes but the one some people react you'd think they were "yo momma jokes").

What I said, and I dare you to show me where it is typed/written by a reputable source that an F1 is a breed, crossing 2 plants does not make a breed, with rare exceptions you get uniformity/similarity in an F1 but this is not the case with most of the popular crosses today (Serious seeds Bubblegum is not what we call a "true breed" meaning that and F2 or a cross with it will not produce the same results as the original F1, however unlike so many popular crosses out there it consistently creates uniform plants, can't say that about many F1's). That is what I was stating, I never said crossing 2 plants wasn't breeding, that is just low brow political word spinning at it's best by you, or did you react before reading?


Edit: never mind my incoherency, it's late!!

Hmmm...I started some TGA Jilly bean and all the plants look just the same...same colors, leaves, shapes and sizes. So that is good. Just started the first few seeds flowering to see what's what...out of 4 plants 2 are male so far...as long as I get one female I will be happy...that way I can make some more seeds.

Originally Posted by 15yearsofbreeding

Breeders create hybrids f1's and IBL's. They don't use well known clones or clone only mothers. Crossers aren't breeders!!! Crossing two well established strains don't breed something new. With limited space anybody can be a great crosser. Breeding is all about selection, does a clone only breeder really know the true pedigree of their plants? Jim Ortega, Shanti, Nevil, Sandy Weinstein, DJ Short and Soul are breeders. Who's your favorite crosser?

Just out of curiosity. What strains have you created in 15 years of "breeding?"

Originally Posted by coben

This was worth the read. As A longtime member I completely agree with keeping these trolls off RIU. I find it hilarious how frequently this happens to the trolls here. Thread gets started and the 1st comment knocks em' right down. Why can't the rest of the internet be this kind.

yeah i was thinking the same thing? what's even funny is the person who asked for the police to come in and police the site to prevent trolling is actually doing the trolling, mixedmelody that would be you i am talking about specifically.
don't know dude or haven't seen any of his other post but his initial post sounds spot on. i have seen a lot of vets state similar things in regards to his initial post in this thread so don't know where all the hostility came from or is about.