What Strains Should I Use for Mums?

KronikGrower

Active Member
I have a few different strains and can't keep them all for Mums, although i'd love to.
give me some ideas of the top six ( off my list ) that you'd keep as Mums.....

*Barney's
Tangerine Dream
Phatt Fruity
Blue Cheese
Pineapple Chunk
*D.N.A
LA Confidential
*CH9
Critical Mass
*G13
Pineapple Express
Green House Seed Co.
K Train
Super Lemon Haze
*Paradise Seeds
Acid
Wappa
Nebula
*TGA Subcool Seeds
Deep Purple

Out of this list what would your top six be.....
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
i only like getting high, so i'd be inclined to say
super lemon haze (IF it isn't schwaggy only & only because it's probably the most sativa you have. greenhouse doesn't have the best rep)
acid
nebula

&
deep purple

not that they're my cup of tea, i'd say keep your phat fruity & tangerine dreams if only because they look to be discontinued and would be irreplaceable.

if you REALLY want the best keepers, why not take cuttings of everything and test it all first and just keep YOUR favorites.
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
At least your honest.
yes i am, but most people call me asshole for it. sometimes i get REALLY adamant about my contempt for indicas polluting 99.99% of streets and the greed that's behind it that's FORCED me to DIY because nothing i've bought in 25 years has gotten me remotely high from probably a DOZEN dealers all of whom i've told to go fuck themselves the second the give me a peep of drama for their shit i don't even like to begin with, but yeah, i AM honest, even when it makes me look bad
 

The Chemist Brothers

Active Member
I have a few different strains and can't keep them all for Mums, although i'd love to.
give me some ideas of the top six ( off my list ) that you'd keep as Mums.....

*Barney's
Tangerine Dream
Phatt Fruity
Blue Cheese
Pineapple Chunk
*D.N.A
LA Confidential
*CH9
Critical Mass
*G13
Pineapple Express
Green House Seed Co.
K Train
Super Lemon Haze
*Paradise Seeds
Acid
Wappa
Nebula
*TGA Subcool Seeds
Deep Purple

Out of this list what would your top six be.....
Deep purple.
Nebula
La Con.

these are the only 3 im actually interested in.
 

mcgyversmoke

Active Member
i would def not recommend the tangerine dream, the amount of diff phenos is crazy, and the bud isnt actually anything special.

id say deep purple is my number one ( but if it was my choice the whole list would be tga except a barneys farm red dragon)
then SLh
BLue cheese

and those are it then my list would add
tga- plush berry
tga- ace of spades
tga- vortex
annnd pandoras box

but i think tga is the best breeder right now
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
TGA's gear all seems to have some sort of magical power from another galaxy the way everyone speaks of it.
 

KronikGrower

Active Member
i would def not recommend the tangerine dream, the amount of diff phenos is crazy, and the bud isnt actually anything special.

id say deep purple is my number one ( but if it was my choice the whole list would be tga except a barneys farm red dragon)
then SLh
BLue cheese

and those are it then my list would add
tga- plush berry
tga- ace of spades
tga- vortex
annnd pandoras box

but i think tga is the best breeder right now
I just looked through your 2nd grow with the Tangerine! .......so what I gather is the Pheno's aren't stable......the plants can vary from very sativa Dominant all the way to Indica Dom? huh? yours got pretty tall right. obviously more sativa dominant......so the smoke wasn't 'that' good? tasty, stoney......why so negative.....I hear alot of people ranting and raving about it. why?
 

Buddy232

Active Member
yes i am, but most people call me asshole for it. sometimes i get REALLY adamant about my contempt for indicas polluting 99.99% of streets and the greed that's behind it that's FORCED me to DIY because nothing i've bought in 25 years has gotten me remotely high from probably a DOZEN dealers all of whom i've told to go fuck themselves the second the give me a peep of drama for their shit i don't even like to begin with, but yeah, i AM honest, even when it makes me look bad
I appreciate people like you. Theres nothing wrong with being honest, except when your an asshole about it. I have a feeling your not. (Well, not usually. We are all a-holes sometimes.) You stated what your purpose is with medicating and why you were inclined to write the answer you did. The person your wrote your response to could very well feel the same way as you - so your reply may have been music to their ears.

Me personally, I'm not a (heavy) indica person - but I have my reasons. Mainly because I have clinically diagnosed neurological problems... I'm sure you know enough at med's as to why sativa's help me better. I had the same issues with my "old" dealer before I became legal. A few times I would get a good sativa and request that he ask for it again. He would yell at me giving me all kinds of shit about how it wasn't that good, and sativas take too long to grow, are stringy with no bag appeal, etc.

It's entirely fine to have your own opinion as I think you and I agree. However, A) you don't have to freak out like a 5 year old B) Different strains affect people differently, and personally some of the indicas and deep kush's that you (he) likes - I don't and C) Your no kingpin and you just push a few ounces at a time anyways, I'm going to buy the whole fucking thing anyways so why does it matter! :) That "kid" was a real asshole. I think the both of us should just got punch those people in the face today, just to feel good. :)


Good chat.

Bud
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
WOW! i'm copying and pasting that reply in case i need evidence that the market is indeed unfair to those of us who want absolutely NOTHING at all to do with getting stoned, even though when you argue it 100 different ways with facts, cash crappers who don't like you INDIRECTLY calling them greedy bastids (because they're part of the same CONSPIRACY of growers who'll ONLY grow indicas & nothing else) will declare you an enemy & seek butt buddies to troll & harass you & obscure the facts.

one of the ways i've tried to prove my point is by bringing up how indicas made me stop talking to a cousin i grew up just down the road from after he got indignant and threatened me because he didn't like my opinion of the "sticky bud" he was so proud of or my stating i ONLY like to get high WHEN ASKED because he really though "ALL WEED IS EXACTLY THE SAME!" because in many parts of NY, it is. that was my FACT that in many places you just cannot get high ever, and trust me, i've looked for over 20 years there and it NEVER happened with well over a dozen cash crapper dealers who probably all get their gear from the same FACTORY somewhere in canada. the troll answer to that... "you just don't know the right people." which drives me fucking batshit because they're totally missing the fucking point! if zero out of 20 plus dealers ALL have nothing but indicrap, that's BULLSHIT in the extreme!

it shouldn't be up to me to beg & plead with every person i meet to find gear that gets me high, it's should be on the growers & dealers to give me what the fuck i DEMAND!!! speaking of begging & pleading, i LITERALLY begged the dude that tossed me a gram of durban poison to sell me a quarter of the kali mist he tossed me another time and gave up bidding on it at $120 for a fucking EIGHTH! that's an insane price and even then, i wasn't able to buy it. that, too, is bullshit!

one of my goals with growing way back when i started studying it in the mid 80s the second columbian gold vanished and afghanicrap took over was to GIVE my excess away to remind people they're getting ripped off on inferior crap & start demanding better. gold was $40 a quarter, then *boom* a year later "red hair" was $50 an eighth & it didn't get you fucking high at all. the first time i scored it, i got two different buds totaling probably 3 gtrams for the $8 i had in my pocket and was still super pissed off. over the years of seeing nothing but that shit, my contempt has only deepened. no shit, other than the mexican brick $5 & $10 sacks i'd take over ANY indoor i smoked back east, EVERY time i've gotten high it's been FREE but i haven't been able to buy it EVER. you should have seen me begging to give the dude who blazed me out with something really nice top dollar a couple years ago like some kinda crackhead.

then, i've tried arguing my case by doing an informal survey at grasscity where AGAIN, i developed enough afghanicrap troll enemies to get banned for changing my name to this, when one dug up an old post with my old handle and made it look like i was trying to pull a fast one when i publicly announced the name change IMMEDIATELY and asked a mod to delete the old account after being told i couldn't have 2 accounts which wasn't what i wanted to begin with. there i go, angrily digressing again. this is where my attitude gets people to start talking trash DIRECTLY to me, off the topic of weed, and i give them the fuck you.

the point i was making was that i did a survey asking people to rate their preference for getting high with 5 being getting high only and 0 being getting stoned only with 3 in the middle and 2 or 4 being a preference one way or another. the results were a 5% average leaning towards getting high with the majority being somewhere in the center, but something like only 10% wanting nothing to do with getting high and close to 20% wanting nothing to do with getting stoned and in the sake of FAIRNESS, i even spotted the stoners two half points because i KNEW people like to get high. the bottom line was 30-40% of people would rather get high or demand it, but good fucking luck doing that outside of mendocino.

it's just wrong that anyone that wants to get high gets the "fuck you" from greedy bastids like your uppity dealer. i would have told him go "go fuck yourself bitch! don't ever come 'round here again fucker!" if he tried yelling at me like he did you. i've told deaqlers that just for jerking me around. that's a REALLY good story that i can connect with... VERY dramatic, but the clearest illustration of the problem ever other than the mention i got from a really well connected dealer, i gave the fuck you to for acting flaky of course, who told me that he knew a few cash crappers that bought THEIR gear from dealers in it for the love willing to take the time & energy to grow haze etc. & charge a premium for it. there's just no arguing with fidiots who care more about the fact that they don't like your contempt for indicrap so much that they'll dismiss ANY FACTS you bring to the table. you can't say the indicrap infestation isn't rooted entirely in greed when dealers out there won't even smoke their OWN motherfucking schwag beaters and STEAL money from us so they can get fucking high. oh that shit just drives me nuts!

if you ever run into ME in the real world, i'll fucking GIVE you whatever i have in my pocket as long as i have a stash at home! i'll be growing entirely for love and have the motherfucking PRIDE in my gear i just want to see make others smile. damn fucking straight my shit's the best you ever fucking smoked! now go tell your dealer what a douchebag asshole he is for me, eh? LOL

i'll feel really bad though if i'm about to run out and someone begs ME to buy some weight. then i WILL have to get greedy & KEEP my head stash. hopefully though, i'll be able to grow more than i can smoke, and i don't plan on selling ANYTHING so my gear shouldn't vanish much faster than i can smoke it at maybe 2 grams a day top speed.

some of THE BEST weed i actually smoked was a few years ago when an old school hippy grower used to toss us LEAF dirt cheap, like $5 for about an eigth, but it was sooooooo fucking tasty because he used to make his own compost and whatever he was growing wasn't afghani, i can tell you that! it had a nice euphoric TRUE middy buzz that was pretty neutral on energy & it tasted so clean & fresh, like smoking salad. it was about the same as brick really, but much cleaner smoking & a real bargain. dude really loved his plants too.

we need more of THAT & LESS "gimme! gimme! gimme! so i can drive my pimped out ride to someone who'll get ME high, buh bye!"

my quest for the best (indoors anyways) continues, but i KNOW my high quality seeds, haze skunk, mandala 8 miles high & short stuff super cali haze ALL beat the shit out of EVERYTHING i've bought, including the brick, since around 1987 and take a dump on it. it's just annoying i have to do it myself where i'd really just rather buy it.

Me personally, I'm not a (heavy) indica person - but I have my reasons. Mainly because I have clinically diagnosed neurological problems... I'm sure you know enough at med's as to why sativa's help me better. I had the same issues with my "old" dealer before I became legal. A few times I would get a good sativa and request that he ask for it again. He would yell at me giving me all kinds of shit about how it wasn't that good, and sativas take too long to grow, are stringy with no bag appeal, etc.
I just saved that passage as Buddy232 getting yelled at by his dealer and am bookmarking this page. it's fucking SAD the almost APOLOGETIC WAY you have to speak of wanting to get high in this fucked up backwards greedy fucking world!

bag appeal my fucking ass! more like PROPAGANDA to make inferior shit sound better for so long everyone's been brainwashed & believes it and has FORGOTTEN what really matters, getting high! EVERY fucking thing advertised to make indicas sound better are the OPPOSITE of bag appeal to me...
- look at how sticky this is! (yeah... but does it get you fucking high asshole?)
- smell that! really skunky? huh? (it smells like a dead skunk's ass... so what?! does it get you fucking high?)
- feel how hard that rock nugget is! (fuck that! i can't even break this shit apart with my fingers! how the fuck and i supposed to smoke it fucker?!)
- look! red hairs! (yeah... fucking novel... but it doesn't get me high your greedy motherfucking piece of shit!)

indica became my mortal enemy when it killed my beloved columbian gold and overnight more than doubled in price. i'll never forgive that shit for charging me twice the price for shit that in no fucking way, shape or form, does anything but make me tired and depressed.

i'm an asshole
[video=youtube;-o30wacwdoc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o30wacwdoc[/video]
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
yeah, i know. i just have an instinct to destroy wannabe bullies immediately. it's one of my character flaws. i'm not good with subtleties. i either like ya, or hate you're freakin' guts pretty much with little middle ground.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Of course Hazey, if its so hard to find what you want, you could take the advice in your signature....

GROW YOUR OWN AND QUIT LYING ABOUT IT.


ITS THE DEALERS FAULT THEY WONT GROW WHAT I WANT THEM TO GROW.

Jesus man, you are a professional grower according to you. grow it yourself.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
Hazey, nice rant.

I don't know if anyone has told you this, but marijuana is actually illegal in most of the USA. (OK. . .all of it, to be precise).

The point is, that puts some pretty serious kink in the supply side of the market!

In many parts of the country, you'd be lucky to find ANY high quality weed for sale at all, let alone a proverbial restaurant menu like they have in the Dutch hash-houses.

While it might be true that 40% of smokers prefer to get "high" not "stoned", the fact is probably less than 1 in 50 DEMAND the former and won't accept the latter, like yourself. I'd bet less than 1-in-1000 actually get ANGRY when someone offers them stoney weed!

Anyway, with the overwhelming majority of the market either outright favoring indica-type weed, or at least tolerating it and being willing to pay for it, that doesn't leave much of a market for low-yielding hard to grow pure Sativa plants. While again, it might be true that the market really doesn't "know any better" never having been around to taste the late '70s Columbian Gold, that really doesn't change anything. Until and unless you're prepared to re-introduce it into the market in quantity (and I doubt that's even possible) the market taste isn't going to change.

The point is, if you love the delicious taste of true heirloom brandywine tomatoes, you don't go shopping for them at Costco. The yield of the plants is too low, and the demand too low for it to be cost-effective for commercial farmers to grow them. If you want them, you grow them yourself in the back yard.

Ditto for your "Grapey Haze" ultimate strain!
 

althor

Well-Known Member
As far as "which mother to choose"?

To me that would all depend on the plant, not the strain.
If you have crappy Deep Purple phenos than why bother keeping it as a mother?
If you have the best of the best Tangerine Dream phenos why wouldnt you keep it as a mother?
If they are just run of the mill examples of the strain, I wouldnt bother with a mother either. You can always order more seeds for run of the mill.

Look for phenos that are above and beyond the norm. Keep those for mothers.
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
that's my point, the ONLY reason no one is offering sativas to meet the ACTUAL "demand" (more like apathetic "we'll take whatever we're given because we don't like making waves" sheep stance) is GREED. the overwhelming majority of cash crappers have absolutely no PRIDE or LOVE in their gear and yes, it just pisses me off to no end. it's just wrong.

whenever there's a wrong of any kind in the world, i'm generally the first person to speak up about it and only piss sheep off who think "go with the flow" is a good thing when it's virtually the root of all evil. take the occupy wallstreet movement, i've been ranting and raving about lobbyists for DECADES! i've been on the global warming front lines too since at least the mid 90s, but have only owned two cars for no more than 5 years of my entire life with the last one being a 42mpg econocar.

i'll be the first, too, to admit i'm homophobic and am not ashamed at all to admit it, but i keep it to myself though i AM inclined to toss the "F" word out as an insult when i'm so pissed at someone i'd like to bludgeon them if only i could. regardless though, i don't care what people do if they stay out of my personal biz AND, just like in high school where i had (it happens A LOT over ANY issue involving right & wrong or truth vs. lies) an entire classroom turn on me in a social studies thought experiment because i made the TOTALLY LOGICAL decision. i wasn't homophobic back then though... it took moving to the big city and getting harrassed & dealing with instigating queens that changed my mind there.

anyways, the scenario is that you've been placed in charge of a fallout shelter that has room for all but 2 of the people in it and must chose who gets expelled to rebuild civilization. (ironic if there's a nuclear war though). the list includes mostly non-descript people with only a couple females with the three "key" candidates for expulsion being an 82 year old priest, a 35 year old mechanic with serious life threatening injuries and a gay lawyer. logically, i elected the two people closest to death where EVERYONE else chose the gay lawyer and one of the other two. even now though, i'd still make the same decision because it's the right thing to do

my contempt for indicas and the entire cash cropping scene centers around it being totally unfair and based on what the DEALERS want (money money money) with no concern for what the customers want. i'll NEVER accept the status quo there, or the gashole global warming one and so on. i will keep going against the flow at every turn and pissing people off for making waves because if i don't, no one else will, at least not until the realities hit them first hand like all of the formerly apathetic sheep who are only NOW pissed off at lobbyists because they've lost their homes etc.

i really don't like having to go through all of the trouble & expense of growing my own just to be able to smoke something ACCEPTABLE. i'd rather just buy it, but anyone in it for the money just doesn't want to be bothered. ask pretty much ANY sativa grower here and chances are you'll see that most of them aren't in it for the money but just because they refuse to accept street beasters.

THE perfect example of the status quo that i've bookmarked (besides my own personal experiences) just yesterday i think clearly highlights why i have such an attitude about greed weed:
I'm sure you know enough at med's as to why sativa's help me better. I had the same issues with my "old" dealer before I became legal. A few times I would get a good sativa and request that he ask for it again. He would yell at me giving me all kinds of shit about how it wasn't that good, and sativas take too long to grow, are stringy with no bag appeal, etc.

from:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/484337-what-strains-should-i-use.html#post6584314

you can bet i'd have more than a few things to say to THAT bastid STARTING with "motherfuck you bitch!"

the bottom line is that thousands of people are making way much more money than even GOOD SHIT is worth for shit that pure bull in the extreme!

in the survey i did on preferences at another forum, a SOLID 20% or so of people ONLY like getting high with more than half of the rest on either side of the middle road, but you're right, the situation only exists because people are fucking sheep that don't have the fucking spine to tell purveyors of greed overcharging them for schwag to go fuck themselves over that, or so many OTHER issues in the world that go unchecked because of apathy like government for sale to the highest bidder.

when i'm right and i know i'm right, i'm just not going to back down from anyone no matter how many people they have with them. it doesn't earn me a lot of friends maybe, but anyone more concerned about towing the line than right or wrong isn't worth knowing anyways as far as i'm concerned.

the current greed based weed market is just WRONG! i'll fight it to my last fucking breath.
 
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