Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!

Sunbiz1 said:

How would you artificially replicate mountain valleys?, the elevation has to be the same...then throw in land and sea breezes/soil composition etc and I would think it's impossible.

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well, it would take a shitload of money to replicate the airpressure and such (probably lol)

but wind and soil composition wouldnt be that hard (if you had access to the facts)

also the spectrum of the sun could be found out. (exact length of day and such)

but yes, it would be difficult, also comes into mind, its often, who grows the plant, not where.

still, im not that terribly interested in attempting such a thing and was just voicing a thought.

im not that informed in this to really have a debate about this, more of a talk

i was talking about trying to grow IBLs INDOORS.

back to the question about ace seeds, none of their strains sound like what i'm looking for. oldtime haze would be the one i most want to blaze, but forget growing a 16-24 week strain! oh no! that's not going to happen. i can get acceptable results in half that time.

there was one other strain that they described as trippy, but there's no way i want ANYTHING to do with a strain that starts out trippy with creeper couchlock. i don't like LSD & mataro blue for that same reason even if they're not really trippy and only mildly psychoactive at that. the two strains that mention trippiness just aren't my cup of tea and everything else they have leans towards either clear headed raciness which C99 does nicely in just 45-50 days of flowering and will always be my go to gal for that until someone makes an even faster C99 lowryder maybe or are more about euphoria which all four of my favorites do nicely with haze skunk having some degree of psychoactivity, super cali haze having a delicious grape flavor that's special and 8 miles high having a nice energy neutral high with hints of heightened senses too.

i'm sure i'd enjoy many ace seeds strains, particularly their purple haze if it were doable, but otherwise, none of them are exactly what i'm looking for, specifically something even trippier than haze skunk or at least better tasting and as indoor friendly or better. none of ace's strains fit that requirement.

if THEY decided to breed something like C99 x columbian gold or a gold dominant lowryder or even a similar haze that's indoor friendly, that would get my attention for real. i'm still out for the ultimate indoor trippy strain (that isn't violently named like jack the ripper & killing fields). i also have concerns about the couchlock levels of their orient express.

super cali haze smokes just like the real deal, but at 12 weeks of autoflowering, it's much closer to my ideal than their "pure" (sounds thai dominant) and i just love that grape flavor. it's what i chose my handle to honor even if that and the similar little half gram i was gifted were more about euphoria & motivation than trippy effects.

ace is going to have to offer a trippy indoor strain that's low in couchlock. C99 & lowryders sound like a much better route to that than all the crap including haze skunk that got their by polluting themselves with afghani.

hazey grapes said:

i was talking about trying to grow IBLs INDOORS.

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so was he lol

frmrboi said:

so was he lol

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*confused*

hazey grapes said:

back to the question about ace seeds, none of their strains sound like what i'm looking for. oldtime haze would be the one i most want to blaze, but forget growing a 16-24 week strain! oh no! that's not going to happen. i can get acceptable results in half that time.

there was one other strain that they described as trippy, but there's no way i want ANYTHING to do with a strain that starts out trippy with creeper couchlock. i don't like LSD & mataro blue for that same reason even if they're not really trippy and only mildly psychoactive at that. the two strains that mention trippiness just aren't my cup of tea and everything else they have leans towards either clear headed raciness which C99 does nicely in just 45-50 days of flowering and will always be my go to gal for that until someone makes an even faster C99 lowryder maybe or are more about euphoria which all four of my favorites do nicely with haze skunk having some degree of psychoactivity, super cali haze having a delicious grape flavor that's special and 8 miles high having a nice energy neutral high with hints of heightened senses too.

i'm sure i'd enjoy many ace seeds strains, particularly their purple haze if it were doable, but otherwise, none of them are exactly what i'm looking for, specifically something even trippier than haze skunk or at least better tasting and as indoor friendly or better. none of ace's strains fit that requirement.

if THEY decided to breed something like C99 x columbian gold or a gold dominant lowryder or even a similar haze that's indoor friendly, that would get my attention for real. i'm still out for the ultimate indoor trippy strain (that isn't violently named like jack the ripper & killing fields). i also have concerns about the couchlock levels of their orient express.

super cali haze smokes just like the real deal, but at 12 weeks of autoflowering, it's much closer to my ideal than their "pure" (sounds thai dominant) and i just love that grape flavor. it's what i chose my handle to honor even if that and the similar little half gram i was gifted were more about euphoria & motivation than trippy effects.

ace is going to have to offer a trippy indoor strain that's low in couchlock. C99 & lowryders sound like a much better route to that than all the crap including haze skunk that got their by polluting themselves with afghani.

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dude seriously? screw growing a 16-24 week strain? you think those sativas take 10 weeks like hybrids? get outa here with that stuff mate i agree with the fact that you want a trippy high but if you cant wait for a real sativa just stop your search NOTHING will trip you out or energize the fuck outa you like a pure sativa and to say that nothing in ACE's line looks like what your looking for im begining to really think you have NO idea what your looking for

your not gonna get the high your truley looking for outa a hybrid

"i can get acceptable results in half that time."

i thought you were looking for the most trippy strain you can find not something "acceptable"

your love of the columbian gold must not be time based as pure columbian gold def wasnt a 12 week finishing hybrid

i want the most trippy strain that's INDOOR FRIENDLY. yes, IBLs are going to be the absolute most undiluted best, but after attempting highland thai and having it failing even before sexing, i'm cured of trying that.

"i get lots of light"

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sounds like a reference to sunlight

holy crap! i didn't know my not wanting to grow IBLs was going to rock everyone's world and cause such panic in the freakin' streets! they're just too much trouble for me, and after getting AWESOME results with haze skunk, i know indoor trippy is possible even in 3 gallon buckets under a single 400w lamp. THAT'S the kind of gear i'm looking for. i honestly don't think haze is the most trippy strain to begin with. the grape pheno haze i was gifted wasn't particularly psychoactive. it was a great fun smoke with an even better grapey taste, but for some reason, haze skunk smoked trippier.

if i could pull it off, i'd be happy smoking nothing but tutti fruity flavored highland thai, but i just didn't like the hassle of trying to grow it. 12 week haze skunk is a nice compromise, but i'm positive someone has something even better in the same 12 weeks/med-tall range. nirvana's discontinued (or maybe renamed haze #1 through their sativa seeds line) looked clearly more IBL than high quality seeds' version. i'd expect that to be maybe a little trippier and have less of that skunk dominant "cigar cheese" flavor. i'm being pragmatic here. if haze skunk really IS the best that can be done indoors, i'm totally cool with that. what it might lack in the sensual trippiness of columbian gold it more than makes up for in sticky potency & a long lasting buzz with little tolerance dropoff.

it's not so much that i "demand" the trippiest strain in the world as much as i don't want anytyhing at all to do with impairing & depressing couchlock. i'm plenty satisfied with a euphoric & motivational buzz, but trippier is better. not only that, but there's such a wide range of effects out there, maybe there's some surprise around the corner that hasn't been properly reported on like the really fun touchy feely buzz i got from diesel (*blech*) based onyx that had me playing footsie with myself & liking it.

when i have the ability to give IBLs all that they require, i want to tackle them, but until then, i'll stick with more practical gear. based on the reports i've heard for jack the ripper & killing fields, it sounds like there's some great stuff out there to try even if those 2 are out of the question for me because i hate their names.

i'll stick to my priorities and y'all do whatever makes you happy.

everything oudoor will and CAN be grown indoors

but ive grown jack in facti showed you the pictures of the finished jtr

they are both great sativa's but either of them you can smoke your self to sleep on its very possible

now if your unwilling to devote the time and space needed to search for the proper mother

your wont have luck with much other strains i just think you should take some time with the seeds

i agree land race thai's hazes and pretty much any landrace sativa can be hard to grow but the fruits of the labor come in the end

that's just too much trouble for that extra 10% - 15% difference for me. not only that, but when i know there's bud just in the next room i can get high off, i have a really hard time keeping away from it, so an extra long flowering time would be pure torture for me unless i already have a head stash.

it also gets complicated when you have multiple strains growing in your room. IBLs would work a lot better scrogged, but you don't want to do that when you have faster flowering gear that would only get in the way or make harvesting that a pain & a half.

haze skunk is fine with me and is even better than columbian gold in the potency, motivation and MAYBE even euphoria departments. that is so practical though makes it a no brainer for me until i find something better in some way whether it be better tasting, faster finishing or even trippier. there's a HUGE difference between, say 25% afghani skunk #1 & gold, but not that big a difference between gold & haze skunk. it isn't worth twice the hassle for that last Nth or 2 of difference to me. even mexican brick makes me happy because it doesn't get you stoned, but there's indoor gear that's much better than that. i'm not trying to win a cannabis cup here, just get high again.

i have too low a BS threshold to put up with IBL demands indoors. highland thai did nothing for me but keep stressing me out.

idk mate time is nothhing if you have patience if your admiting that you lack the patience to grow the ibl indoors we cant help you

i understand the want to smoke the earlier flowers go right ahead but it doesnt mean you tear down the 20 week thai down cause you cant smoke it fast enough

lol and that extra "bit" you like to call it DOES make a diff a HUGE diff

yah you can some similar effects but untill you grow the shit out your not gonna understand

and honestly i think you found your strain then just keep your hazexskunk

cause otherwise your posts just get redundant so much to the point i dont want to read them anymore cause i read the same thing a week ago

poplars said:

anyone grow and confirm?

I mean these guys are out to make money, I trust seeing someone grow it and reporting the high more than I trust a seed bank profiting off of the way they portray something ya know?

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World of seeds has a lot of landrace sativas that are pretty nice.

some sativa from mr nice at week 13 now, she is a big plant and will yield well

damn dude those look nice is that in the walkabout pack kinda looks like a mango haze expression gotta let me know the foxtails are NICE

Unnk said:

damn dude those look nice is that in the walkabout pack kinda looks like a mango haze expression gotta let me know the foxtails are NICE

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Thanks Unnk, you have a good eye for strains!
its my most sativa pheno of Angel Heart (Mango Haze x Afghan Skunk) i believe the afghan skunk used in the cross is now known as Nordle and is available as a strain in it own right

peace bro

KNEW IT that was one of the buys i was gonna get it was gonna be the mango or the angelheart

Unnk said:

everything oudoor will and CAN be grown indoors

but ive grown jack in facti showed you the pictures of the finished jtr

they are both great sativa's but either of them you can smoke your self to sleep on its very possible

now if your unwilling to devote the time and space needed to search for the proper mother

your wont have luck with much other strains i just think you should take some time with the seeds

i agree land race thai's hazes and pretty much any landrace sativa can be hard to grow but the fruits of the labor come in the end

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strongly disagree.


especially with the whole usage of electricity and all.... outdoor growing is the future. not indoor. it is simply not viable economically compared to those hot spots outdoors you can grow high grade bud, and a dramatic amount more than indoors, and without using a shitload of electricity polluting your environment not giving a fuck.


sorry but it isn't gonna happen in this lifetime, you will not be able to grow indoors without it costing a shitload of CO2, fuckin up the environment.

and another thing, you cannot replicate the power of the sun(these sativas need the SUN... not some light... you cannot replicate the dynamics a sativa has evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to grow efficiently under... ), nor the gravitational influence of the sun, nor the dynamics of the moonlight and moon cycles, nor the wind and the humidity and all the other subtle chemicals. you'd need a supercomputer to handle even HALF that stuff. and even then, you're not matching the power of the sun, doesn't matter what you do, it's never going to happen.



but you indoor growers can keep getting your heads so big that you think you can match the sun... I know I have a hard time appearing humble hear because I feel so greatly offended even though these posts aren't directed at me... I just feel like the virtue of outdoor growing has been nearly lost, people don't realize how humbling it is to grow outdoors, and how lucky it can be. they just focus on all the bugs and wind and storms.. they forget what great outdoor bud is like in the end....

but I haven't.. and I wont let you guys forget either... one day this shit is gonna be legal... and they'll have people like me living in places like where I live... growing high quality bud for people who want something different, something beyond just 'worth it'.


you can keep saying the answer is inside.... but unlike your mind, the answer is outside......not in.

looks awesome, I'm sure the high is amazing! Great job. My question is this..does it have any flavor???.

poplars said:

strongly disagree.


especially with the whole usage of electricity and all.... outdoor growing is the future. not indoor. it is simply not viable economically compared to those hot spots outdoors you can grow high grade bud, and a dramatic amount more than indoors, and without using a shitload of electricity polluting your environment not giving a fuck.


sorry but it isn't gonna happen in this lifetime, you will not be able to grow indoors without it costing a shitload of CO2, fuckin up the environment.

and another thing, you cannot replicate the power of the sun(these sativas need the SUN... not some light... you cannot replicate the dynamics a sativa has evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to grow efficiently under... ), nor the gravitational influence of the sun, nor the dynamics of the moonlight and moon cycles, nor the wind and the humidity and all the other subtle chemicals. you'd need a supercomputer to handle even HALF that stuff. and even then, you're not matching the power of the sun, doesn't matter what you do, it's never going to happen.



but you indoor growers can keep getting your heads so big that you think you can match the sun... I know I have a hard time appearing humble hear because I feel so greatly offended even though these posts aren't directed at me... I just feel like the virtue of outdoor growing has been nearly lost, people don't realize how humbling it is to grow outdoors, and how lucky it can be. they just focus on all the bugs and wind and storms.. they forget what great outdoor bud is like in the end....

but I haven't.. and I wont let you guys forget either... one day this shit is gonna be legal... and they'll have people like me living in places like where I live... growing high quality bud for people who want something different, something beyond just 'worth it'.


you can keep saying the answer is inside.... but unlike your mind, the answer is outside......not in.

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sorry i did not mean to sound big headed i know that outdoors > indoors any day of the week

my argument was that shit outdoors CAN be grown indoors not to the same extent but it can and will and HAS been done

you just have to be patient you will get good results not the phenominal results from the outdoor crop but thats just the fact your never gonna get

the equivalent to the sun indoors in the near future

as well some of us dont have the option BUT to try and replicate the sun indoors to get what we want our area restricts our ability to do what we

want to do in the end of it its more cost effective in a sense of SECURITY for some of us its amazing what you can do in a controlled space

Unnk said:

sorry i did not mean to sound big headed i know that outdoors > indoors any day of the week

my argument was that shit outdoors CAN be grown indoors not to the same extent but it can and will and HAS been done

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ohhh shit now I look like an ass yet again oh well most people probably already think I am anyways...

yeah I definitely agree with that....

Solar is the future There are guys around here who have a grow rooms set up off grid with batteries and solar panels. But as far as the weed goes I say go for it Poplars I think they would grow great where you're at and if you want I'll send you some Island dirt for real. It would be worth the experment or did I somke too much. Here is a shot of a nice sative plant 5ft and still veging this could be interesting. Aloha