The Dope - Dr Greenthumb: 1 Gallon yield per bucket test grow

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I was lucky enough to be included in Dr Greenthumb's test grows for his new strain The Dope. I was late getting my seeds germed (full garden) and have purposefully not read any grow/smoke reports because I want the strain to show me what it wants, rather than going into the grow/cure/vap with pre conceived notions. I'm going to have fun at my own pace.

From the toppings, the stems range from 9" to 15".


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This is going to be my first test grow with slightly different growing techniques, with the goal of yielding 4 litres of 4 week cured bud per bucket, 12 buckets under a 600 watt light and a light rail. The best yields I've had have been around 3.5 litres, but I'm flowering 14 strains in 12 buckets, with 11 more strains in veg, so I'm not dialled in for max yield on any strain. I just let the plants grow as they want for the most part, with a few changes I think I can up most strains I have to 4+ litres a bucket.



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The first change is transplanting 2 plants from 6" pots into one 5 gallon bucket. I'm doing this for several reasons: reduced vegging time (I have lots of space and plants in veg) and a more dense root mass seem to be the two most important - the process is always trial and error but I've been having good luck with this on a few plants still in flower. I'm thinking that two smaller plants in the same space will be more efficient than one larger plant, but will be no more effort to tend.





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I'm also going to let them veg in 5 gallon pots longer, to increase root mass. I usually transplant when the plants are long enough to bend around the buckets, about 4' of stem in total. If I let them veg too long after transplanting the branches end up too long and I've got 30" colas, sounds nice but it's a lot of work and not that much more bud than having some thick short colas. I'm going to transplant when the plants are short, and not train them CCOB. The stems will continue to grow, when they're long enough I'll train them and put the plant in flower when the branches are the length I want. I think this alone will increase yield, through a better root mass.



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There are a few other changes I'll be making, I'm going to start making my own fertilizer and supplements as well, add them in slowly. I've got another 2 - 3 weeks of veg for this bucket, I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

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https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/360125-new-growers-needed-grow-lab.html

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Index: Strains

Tags: dr greenthumb, stem training, strains, the dope

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I transplanted to a 5 gallon bucket on the 25th of August and left the two plants in the one bucket to veg for 3 weeks. Tonight I started stem training and moved the bucket to the flower cage for 12/12. This is the longest I've left a plant to veg in a 5 gallon bucket. I let a batch go two weeks and they overgrew my garden. Usually I never veg for more than a week, most times I move the plants straight from transplanting from a 6" pot to 5 gallon bucket, train, and into the flower cage on the same day.

I have two topped plants from feminized seeds, the tallest stem is 19" from the topping (the base of the V in the Y of the stem) and the shortest 16". There are long branches on the base of the plant, the longest is 14". The bucket is going to be a monster, I can see this being my first 1 gallon Crop Circle Of Bud.

I took this picture just before stem training, the cola in the bottle is 11", curls to 1'.


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The stems were no trouble to train but there are so many branches the stems bent under the weight when trained horizontal. I used the longer, thicker, 14" branches from the bottom of the plant as fulcrums to both raise the heavy stems and to bring the long branches down at the same time.

This plant is going to need a tomato cage to hold up the colas. There are: 8 nodes plus the cola on one stem, 9 nodes on two more stems, and 10 on the fourth stem - for 36 nodes plus 4 colas = 76 colas in this bucket, my most ever. And I've been vegging it in a 5 gallon Air Pruning bucket for 3 weeks (huge root system), and finally it's a naturally long branched strain - It's going to have monster colas.

The bottom 8 branches (2 per stem, 2 stems per plant, 2 plants per bucket) are between 10" and 14" before stretch. This plant is going to be the first that I've taken care of in years. The rest I just kept low stress, this one I'm going to push for yield and potency. Though so far I've pretty much neglected it: forgot about it in the veg cage; watered it only when the bucket was bone dry and the leaves drooping; low stress and all .... I'm still getting a gallon from this plant and I'm not going to tend it any different than the other buckets. I feel better now, I get my cake and get to eat it too. That simple, just decide and think of a way to do it.



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We can see the 4 stems starting to circle around. In the middle are two of the longer bottom branches (14" & 12") that I'm using as fulcrums to raise the branch laden stem . I'll take my time and have it trained in a week or so.

From the top:


Plant 1, Stem 1 = 19'
Plant 1, Stem 2 = 18"
Plnat 2, Stem 3 = 17"
Plant 2, Stem 4 = 16"

Total = 70" of stem (5'10") before stretch.

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The Dope is in the back right corner, raised above the [Big Laughing (Doc's strain too)/Pandora's Box] bucket in front. The light will stop above the BL/PB and not cook the younger Dope which has some of its leaves turned bottom-up. The leaves will all turn so their tops face the light over the next few days. I'll keep the bucket in the low light intensity zone for two weeks, the branches will pull up by themselves and I'll put in a tomato cage after the stretch is done.

That training took about 10 minutes, I'll put another 10 minutes getting the stems cinched down to the bucket rim (2 minutes at a time) then the rest of the grow moving colas to maximize light. Another 20-30 minutes in total and a lot of fun, it's like a puzzle to solve every day - maxing the light to all colas. Like a linear equation in 3D visual with the added variables of the moving light, the timing of the light rails run, and the rotation of the plants. Mostly I just keep the colas straight by tying them to the tomato cage with twist ties, while hitting on a Volcano bag.

In the flower cage


The tomato cage on the left is a real bad strain combination for two plants in one bucket: Flo and Trainwreck. I could literally run Flo 3" above the bucket rim and Trainwreck is one of my longest branched strains. I knew this, I just had to clear my veg cages of clones and didn't want to chuck the strains without running them one more time. Similar flowering period, honestly that's what I was thinking. At least I was thinking something, even if it was not the only thing to be thinking about.

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I'll be watching this one for sure.

I'm growing 11 dopes outdoors this year.

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It's starting to take shape, it's going to be a monster. This is going to be the biggest plant I've grown, no doubt the best producer. I'll be using a tomato cage on this one. This is going to be my one gallon plant.

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Index: Tincture

Tags: alcohol, distill, grape seed oil, spray, sublingual

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I'm compiling my Tincture thread into a chapter for Weed Science, I'm only going to post my recipe for sublingual tincture as the original thread is as long as this one and Weed Science is currently over 500 pages. The entire tincture thread will be organized with a linked index in the ebook but it will be a week before it is completely uploaded.



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Tincture is an almost mystical creature, time consuming to make, the potency hit and miss, and the taste vile. This procedure will give you the most potent tincture that can be made with the bud that you have. The best tasting tincture, the most highs from the tincture. The fastest.

A tincture expert might still produce more potent tincture with their own bud or through more skilled curing with your bud - but - this method will give you the most potent that you can make because we are going to separate the tincture process into two simple parts: Extraction & Solution . By extracting the maximum resin possible then separating the resin/trichs from the solvent we know exactly how much resin we have and there are no water soluble solutes. We add only the amount of solvent (oil, glycerine, alcohol, etc) that we want to get the number of doses that we know the resin can provide (only experience can tell you this, start with as little solvent as will hold the resin in solution).

Extracting the trichomes can be done through: hash making (I have a portable washing machine and bubble bags; subcritical fluid extraction (butane honey oil and CO2 extraction); Iso; alcohol . Each of these extraction methods will be covered in the ebook, if there is one that anyone would like to go over in this thread please post. They are all very simple but most require safety procedures because of explosive gas and toxic fumes. Making good ice water hash is an excellent high purity and safe method of separating the trichomes from most of the plant matter and washing out the water soluble and foul tasting chlorophyl and terpins.

My favourite solvent is grape seed oil - fast, easy, great results. Grape seed oil has a very light taste, when mixed with high proof alcohol and sprayed under the tongue some of it will be absorbed by the blood vessels.

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"When a chemical comes in contact with the mucous membrane beneath the tongue, or buccal mucosa, it diffuses through it. Because the connective tissue beneath the epithelium contains a profusion of capillaries, the substance then diffuses into them and enters the venous circulation. In contrast, substances absorbed in the intestines are subject to "first pass metabolism" in the liver before entering the general circulation.

Sublingual administration has certain advantages over oral administration. Being more direct, it is often faster, and it ensures that the substance will risk degradation only by salivary enzymes before entering the bloodstream, whereas orally administered drugs must survive passage through the hostile environment of the gastrointestinal tract, which risks degrading them, either by stomach acid or bile, or by the many enzymes therein, such as monoamine oxidase (MAO). Furthermore, after absorption from the gastrointestinal tract, such drugs must pass to the liver, where they may be extensively altered; this is known as the first pass effect of drug metabolism."

Wikipedia - Sublingual




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"what's the most efficient {extraction} method with grape seed oil {tincture}?"

Kief from your grinder or from hash making, an alcohol extraction, Isopropyl alcohol rinse, a subcritical fluid extraction with butane or with CO2. Any safe method that you are comfortable doing - that gives you a high purity resin - is great. Then mix hot grape seed oil into the resin.



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Butane boiling off in a water bath.



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Heat the extract in it's pyrex extraction tray in the oven - AFTER THE BUTANE IS BOILED OFF OUTDOORS - 250F in the oven is good. Warm water to boil off the butane works well outdoors even on the coldest winter day.

Add grape seed oil - I used 2 teaspoons (10 ml), I'll try 5 ml next time. Glycerine can be used instead of oil to make an excellent one part tincture.

Honey oil from 28 grams of baked trim.



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I tip the pan back and forth to spread the oil, then let it sit in the oven at 250 F for 5 minutes.

Take the pyrex tray out of the oven and use a fork to mix grape seed oil and honey oil. A couple of minutes will completely dissolve the resin.

Tip the Pyrex tray on a side and squeegee the base to get all of the oil and resin. I use a plastic card.

Use a spoon to scoop the oil, pour the oil into your spay bottle.

I bent a spoon with plyers - to have a spout on both sides - to use as a ladle.



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Use the highest proof alcohol available. If you cannot get Everclear or an equivalent you can distil your own alcohol in your kitchen with a simple crock pot or french press distiller. You can also use the same apparatus as an alcohol reflux extractor for resin.



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This flame is from a teaspoon of refined vodka, the first alcohol I distilled. It was amazing to watch it burn. That distillation experiments was one of my simplest but the most fun and exciting at the same time. It was one of the first that I measured results and had both defined goals and a road map. Alcohol will only burn when its percentage in a solution with water is greater than 50% - or 100 proof that the rum isn't watered down.



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I use a Chloraseptic soar throat spray bottle, I like the extended nozzle to get each spray exactly where I want it.



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The alcohol floats on top of the oil.



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After mixing the alcohol quickly comes out of solution.







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Before shaking again I like to unscrew the top and spray out anything that is in the tube, the alcohol and oil will column in the tube as well. Last spring I was wondering how I could keep the oil mixed up in the spray inlet tube when it dawned on me how easy it is to build an oil skimmer to make money from oil spills. Gotta love weed science >>> I built a model using a toy power boat and a plastic funnel that I bent with a my soldering gun (which I also use for topical operations) and floated with styrofoam packaging. And a clear plastic tennis ball case as the separation column and clear hydro tubing to feed the skimmed oil from the funnel into the tennis ball tube. The model worked perfect, of course they stopped the leak before I got my Universal Pipe Clogger designed on SketchUp so I said "Screw it, I'm doing something else."



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The effects of this tincture are rapid, a couple of minutes. The influence of a set of sprays doesn't last long, 10 - 15 minutes for me, but the cumulative effect of repeated spray sets produces experiences of both longer duration and more complex sensations. It's a nice way to titrate the cannaboids to control effects while being fast acting and giving my throat a break from the irritating vaporizer mist. Very heady, much more powerful than a couple of Volcano bowls, very rapid onset. The effects are much more in the head than that from cannaboids ingested through the gastrointestinal tract.

For surfers or people who spend time on the ocean - taking a sublingual hit is like standing between swells: at first it's calm and nothing is happening, then the force of the next wave comes in and the water starts to rise, lifting you, and finally crashing over you. You take the spray under the tongue, a slight stinging to which you build immunity. Then nothing. A warm fuzzy feeling in the head and ... whoosh ... the wave hits you intensely, you tumble, its fun and peaceful. One of the nicest highs I've had, very powerful and clean.



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With a little practice this recipe is easily made, I can go from plant to tincture in half an hour. The canna-grape seed oil can be used to make brownies from trim in an hour. You can make this to knock yourself out the first time, there is no more potent way to make tincture. No tastier way, no quicker way, no more economical way, no method as sure of producing success first time every time.

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Plant to Tincture in 30 Minutes

Without harvesting the plant.

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- Preheat convection oven to 300 F
- Trim leaves
- clip leaves into tiny pieces

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- Bake leaves in a thin layer in a convection oven, on screens for air flow

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- Pour the leaves into a mesh kitchen strainer with a bowl below the strainer
- crumble the leaves through the strainer into the bowl, hand or piece of wood
- pour the ground baked leaves onto a pre-cooled cookie sheet, thin layer
- put in freezer

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- cool, improves yield

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- Load pre-cooled extraction tube
- extract
- boil off butane (skip for CO2) in hot hot water

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- Put the extraction tray and honey oil in an oven pre-heated to 300 F
- Use a laser thermometer and remove when it is 200 F
- Pour in Grape Seed Oil preheated to 300 F
- Stir with fork until the resin is completely dissolved.

29:45

- spray with CO2 to cool to 98.6 F

30:00

Grape Seed Oil Tincture

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Please post any questions in my Grow Lab thread. Thanks.

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78 colas between 8" and 20"

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One of the reasons that I'm doing the video is to develop methods of non verbal communication for working in areas that people don't speak English, I'd like to be able to tell the CCOB story without text, it may take longer to develop Only In Dreams into a usable tool but the process will help me with other areas of my project.

This is version 6, it's starting to come together into a story. I'll work on frame transition and image placement but there are so many images, 240 in 7m 59s, that I want to do less - only add effect to enhance the story. Feedback is appreciated!

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[video=youtube;w1kQxc1ceTU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1kQxc1ceTU[/video]


This slideshow illustrates the Crop Circle of Bud system at different stages, from clone cuttings through harvest and on to tincture. I made the video as a primer for growers new to Crop Circle Of Bud theory, so you can have visual anchors if you want to learn the concepts behind our methods. Weed Science (ebook link below) is already over 700 pages of theory and pictorials and I've only complied a fraction of my research and experiments on RollItUp, and that is only a fraction of what is yet to be done. I wanted to offer an introduction that all new growers can experience in a few minutes while relaxing with their vaporizer, even if they're not interested in growing CCOB. Sit back and enjoy.


It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.


Please offer advice on improvements: methods that need more coverage or areas that drag. Thanks.


>> YouTube Link for full page pictures <<
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this is an unbelievably informative thread. i really loved reading this, thank you. brilliant.

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nice read, thanks! stay green!

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Only In Dreams: Surf the Crop Circle Of Bud is the animated companion version of Weed Science, the picture sequences follow the how-to pictorials in the ebook. There are 242 images in 8 minutes with very few repeats. I searched for places that I could weave in ideas, stories and themes from TV shows, movies, books, painting, sculpture, pop culture, comic books and my eternal hatred of Stephen CoBerT. Some images that you might notice:

- I created a sand worm scene from Dune during the trichome sequence - from a close up bud picture with only picture zoom, rotation and movement.
- "For everything Else there's Mastercard. Priceless!" with Jack The Ripper
- Phillip Abootman's incessant demands that President Obama nuke the NBA (CoBerT Free World)
- Mouth Of Madness (Bill Maher)
- Alien (Green Eye lit bud)
- building a heart for valentines
- Crystalline Entity, Star Trek (the blue flame from a spoon of the alcohol from my first distillation warping through black space, between the vaporizer and sublingual tincture sequences)
- Chronicles Of Riddick - the sublingual tincture spray bottle blur movements where modeled on the Lord Marshals ability to be in two places at the same time (more or less)
- I made several changes from Saladman's advice in post #463. In the root pruning bucket sequence he suggested adding a picture with two buckets side by side, to impress upon the viewer the two bucket system. I acknowledged his help by switching a red shorty Coke can for a larger blue Pepsi can, then back to the red Coke (in the same position) as the previous two pictures. The three pictures were taken a year apart, I found the same hole bucket (unique hand drilled hole patterns shown if the video is paused) and my rectangular black caliper case (coke can sitting on) and placed both on similar angles. He also advised on showing more of the cage near the first of the video, because of this I did my first zoom frames and sequences. Thanks Saladman, your help made the context of the scenes easier to understand and brought life to the video! You're also included in my limit of 20 tags for the video.
- Most of the plant transitions through flowering maturity are the same plants, the Lazarus sequence immediately following the {air floor / Volcano} series are my first Jillybeans from seed. The first is just after LST training for CCOB, the plants look wilted and come back to life and ripen in following pictures.
- The last transition from the whitish Strawberry Diesel at the end of flower into the Hobbes Icon - the 7 series of pictures before are the same sativa pheno at different stages of flower. It's stems collapsed under the weight of it's colas and had that fantastic picture at the end - I only rotated slightly and "framed" (see next post) the picture for transition, no effects.


(I'll go through the video and add more)


Images that I have not yet been able to, but am committed to capturing:

- Stephen ColBerT being publicly stoned with rancid eggs
- Stephen ColBerT being water boarded while wearing Mel Gibson's outfit from Braveheart
- Stephen ColBerT being finally exiled to space

What kind of world do you want? A ColBerT Free World.

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Saladman I added this to the Only In Dreams video post above (#512). Thank you, you were an incredible help, your suggestions prompted me to look for new methods to focus the viewer's attention to specific images in a scene and how to introduce motion and momentum to influence perception throughout the video.

"- I made several changes from Saladman's advice in post #463. In the root pruning bucket sequence he suggested adding a picture with two buckets side by side, to impress upon the viewer the two bucket system. I acknowledged his help by switching a red shorty Coke can for a larger blue Pepsi can, then back to the red Coke (in the same position) as the previous two pictures. The three pictures were taken a year apart, I found the same hole bucket and my rectangular black caliper case (coke/Pepsi/Coke cans sitting on) and placed both on similar angles. Saladman also advised on showing more of the cage near the first of the video, because of this I did my first zoom frames and sequences. Thanks Saladman, your help made the context of the scenes easier to understand and brought life to the video! You're also included in my limit of 20 tags for the video."

Copy and paste this to Google: saladman, crop circle of bud

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I've spent a lot of my time during the past few years researching through old threads here on RollItUP, virtually everything in the ebook Weed Science, and therefore the video Only In Dreams: Surf the Crop Circle Of Bud is influenced by posts and pictures made by forum members so numerous that I couldn't possibly remember let alone acknowledge everyone. Thank you.

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These are some of the ColBerT Free World Characters shown on cover of the starter kit in the Only In Dreams thumbnail (post #512). If the content offends some people I understand, ColBerT offends me too.

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ColBerT Free World
The Californian Series - Collectors Edition

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Only THE MAN could do this, be thanked for coming, and be sincerely invited back. On the spot.

[video=youtube;hzpu5EES8pE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzpu5EES8pE[/video]​

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From above ...

** I've found myself thinking in terms like "framing that picture" and "sound and image events" and it scares me, I'm concerned that I might become a hippie without noticing. I loose time, sometimes days, and it seems like months pop by undetected. I have a latent fear that I'll be working feverishly to prefect that one last "sound shape" and I'll reach back to rub the back my neck and there'll be pony tail and I'll be wearing a watch. The horror. The horror.

But until then, WE ROCK!

[video=youtube;PoAGasPLh30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoAGasPLh30[/video]​

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By planting two identical clones to one 5 gallon bucket we: reduce each stem length to 16"; get more upturn on the main colas; shorter veg time; increased root mass per 5 gallon bucket; two identical clones growing as one organism. We're going head to head against linear time coming away the winner, an extended version of topping the cutting while still on the mother.


The Dope, from CCOB training two weeks before flower to current (2 to 3 weeks of flower left). 78 colas 8" to 20", this plant should produce upwards of 1 gallon of 4 week cured bud, 25% of cut weight (approx: from 240 g/litre cut to 60 g/litre 4 week cured). We could easily fit 12 of these under a 600 watt HPS.



















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The Dope - Dr Greenthumb

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I'll be harvesting the top half tomorrow, then let the bottom half fill out for a week under intense light. >3/4 of the yield will come from the top half, the yield from the bottom half will double with a week of direct light.

The buds are fluffy, lots of trichs. It's not a tight plant like Skunkberry, but neither is Jack The Ripper or Kali Mist. Effect over all else.

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Last night. Notice how the plant tightens during late flower - like a dinosaur plants are little at one end, big in the middle, and little on the other. A continuous grow with plants at every stage of flower evens the use of space and light. There are resources for us everywhere, when we start looking we eventually will trip over them whether we see them or not.





















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The colour difference is because of a yellow 2100K HPS light in some pictures and an old 10,000K 125W CFL that I use for an overhead light in the more natural pictures.

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Is the Dope a Sativa dom?