I have been thinking after a buddy from the bush joked that the price of good smoke has doubled since all of these so called names.Then i ask how do the seed makers get off by saying they do a service to the med community,in reality all you have done is draw attention to your seeds and raised the price in the clubs and on the streets for your name strain of the month club.So how is it we buy this Bs story you keep selling us,about your love for us,yes we like our smoke,but does that give you the right to rake us over the coals.Thats right i forgot,we dont have to buy the pineapple express,sold for 3 times its value,yes we do because were smokers and you know it,and we buy what thier is around,so when you think your doing us a service,save it,i aint buyin the bullshit.And please spare me your prepared Pr speach ive heard them all.But hey my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,nope.but lets keep the names a commin cha ching.Then tell us again your love for us in pain.

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The longer we grow, the more strains we do, the more bullshit we understand in the advertising.

I've grown strains that I literally would have paid 3X the seed cost not to grow the strain at all - and I'm dead serious about this: there's one breeder who will remain nameless (because he appears to have pulled his head out of his ass and is putting out good beans) who I bought 12 (exactly) strains from when I first started growing ($600 for seeds). Hermies, stretch, won't finish, weak, low yield - every single strain. Stretched so much in a space I now have 12 plants I had 5 which produced less. And the whole time I was wracking my brain looking for the mistakes I was making.

And this horror was after starting growing with 3 bag seed grows with over 40 plants (each from seed) and not a single banana. I was a beginner grower but these beans were absolute shit, the breeder - who could apparently breed some good beans in the past - jobbed out his seed production to inexperienced breeders. Good growers who thought they were breeders who ended up being F2 pollen chuckers.

So after that nightmare I don't mind spending top dollar and shelling out 40 bucks for a pack of Subcool beans, or even going so far as to empty my bank for a $30 CAD pack of PeakSeedsBC beans. There are still bargins out there and of the keepers in my garden the most expensive is Serious Kali Mist @ $125.

I've found that I've got to do a lot of research before committing to a strain, I'm not so concerned about the money as the space and time in my garden.

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"my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,"

Wait a sec, are you talking about dealers selling weed? Not seed?

My bad, but I'm not erasing after all this work. (back to the Kali Mist).

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Hobbes Man....Every time I take in your science, its proper ....+ REP

I am as tight as they come with my budget...It is a business(breeding selling seeds) that has been commercialized..So some of those who were authentic in their quest 2 produce the highest quality strain(s) possible in the earlier days have since found great success and rightfully so....However a % of these folk have over time adapted to their surroundings which have changed since the gorilla growing "Che G." days and have become business men, who now seek to create TRENDS through marketing and miss info.....This is ever apparent in the dutch market where a # of reputable dealers have Bcome the source of many complaints...On the other end of the scale is Cali where it seems that the genetics R being pushed...I ask my self is it marketing? time will tell....Also this Clone only shit gotta cease...We R HUMANS and R very resourceful Cuttings travel the world regardless where they start!!!!!!!

I will say that, at times U get what U pay 4...There R "breeders" out there who make good product...Some more expensive than others......The community will speak and if we listen we will know who is who....Lastly, we the community have the power..We allow some of these folk 2 control our wants and needs..We need 2 barter more often amongst 1another and share our knowledge, believing it is 4 the greater good of our medicine and man kind....Fear not Male Plants...Strategically breed Ur prized females....Grow beans...Trade Beans...Introduce "new" genetics.......Preserve all land races...........IMO.........1ONE1................. ..

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

It wont allow me 2 Rep U hobbes....Dont watch that...Stay up ...1ONE1...

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

some people are rips but their business fades to the rear over time. thats the beauty of the market. put out a product that people want ad you will have happy customers and a life long income. try ripping people off and you may get a little money but soon you wont get any. thats what should scare people about legalization. if the gov gets its hand in weed, you will find more expensive, less potent products will be the norm. they dont give a rats ass about customers, only keeping their power. history can be a mutha fuckr

when i first smoked it was all the usual,colombian,mexican,thia,and Hawaiian and a few others,later in my life their was skunk,chronic,bc homegrown,bc outdoor.the prices were stable and the smoke did the trick.but for the most part it was just gade a weed and schwag,i never remember asking what it was because i never believed it any way.then in 88 i quit all drugs and drinks,i had a problem i never went to bed for 10 years,i mean i slept but only after passing out.12 years later i come back,and i go what the hell is romulin,or harijuana,or whitewidow or flo,or northern lights#1-5 etc,honestly it was all good i really couldn't decipher one indica hybrid from the next.slightly but not to the point of saying this is this or that is that in a blind test.prices were still the same across the board,i smoked kush for 20 years before it was kush,and i never paid the price for kush back then that i pay now.i decided to throw away all the books i kept on my crosses and just call them 1 through what ever.because in the end most of it is the same in more ways then it is different.but these marketing blitzes of these so called must have strains have nat made pot better,only more expensive for the consumer,and im not talking for the growers but the buyers who cant grow,their getting ripped off because of all this crap.cant you just buy good weed without the name,NO NAME POT.because people cant keep dishing out their hard earned pay for these whacked out names,i don't even know if im saying this right,but i see more wrong then good in the cannabis business.And its spreading fast because of the money involved,and the asses that need to be kissed to get your picture on the cover of the $$$$$.And the control that a select few hold,they have the power to make you or break you and they are an exclusive club.They care nothing about the medical community,they love money.Like my bush wacker buddy says i tell him i don't want no fricken name,so he gets bag B,which is still bag A without the name lol,true story.

i do remember years and years ago the bikers would take 20 pounds pay someone to rake the front lawn and put the autumn leaves and twigs in it to make it 30.very few people could say a word too them because of violence but more then a few were just plain crazy and haywire bush wackers and they got thier money back with interest,but it still the same today,that part hasn't changed,but the hippy weed connections were always the best years ago,but those hippies are today's yuppies and they sell the name.and playin the game.

how can i name my strains when they are made from hybrids that are made from hybrids,which all had an assotment of phenoetypes and mine do as well.And i dont even know if the strains i used are what they said they are.The strain list has a 1000+ strains.Really it is a crap shoot,half the seed makers admit or dont say what pollinated what,because they dont know.i had a hermie bag seed,it was really good,it pollinated an already pollinated plant,that happend in a 1 light system,and im sure it happens in breeding facilities around the globe,I have found the only thing in the strain name you can trust to be true is the price.Thier really is not much differance in the high in most of the 9 week indica hybrids.It really is basically all the same stuff,but when you get to sativas,thier your on a wild ride.i had very little couchlock weed in the early 70,s.it was all get up and go weed,not oh man im wasted,im just going to flake on the coutch a bit,then your asleep.it is probably why i went to other substances because of the sleep weed,i wanted to be out trucking through the bush,or rocking the night away.So whats in a name,and why should we care,when little lies become big lies and the story grows,and so do the profits.i guess i can say i grow hybrids.and it took my bush wacker buddy to set me strait,when i desribed the names of what they were,he laughed and asked if i buy gucci and nike sun glasses,or rude dog t-shirts and then broke out laughing,saying how the hell do you know what it really is.its weed man,some good some bad.

growing 9 years on my own another 6 with a partner never paid for seeds

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"my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,"

Wait a sec, are you talking about dealers selling weed? Not seed?

My bad, but I'm not erasing after all this work. (back to the Kali Mist).

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[/QUOTE]ya that was alot of typeing,i did mean the relationship to the names applied to strains,which only increases the prices for the needing consumer,not the grower as much,but that is part and parcel of the eqation.