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Old 08-10-2008, 10:29 AM
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Exclamation Obama Presidency... Unconstitiutional?
"The text of the law states that the U.S. Congress "acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum" (U.S. Public Law 103-150 (107 Stat. 1510))."

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So since Hawaii isnt an official state... Obama who was born in Hawaii cant be the president... right? Let me know what you all think.

More reading:
United States Public Law 103-150. 103rd Congress Joint Resolution 19. Nov. 23, 1993

Or just google: United States Public Law 103-150
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Old 08-10-2008, 10:36 AM
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Specifically, the US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, reads...
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
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The U.S. considers Hawaii a state. As such, under U.S. law, he is qualified to run.

If the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement gets its wish and Hawaii goes completely independent, anyone born after such an action would be ineligible to run for President of the U.S.

If the movement resulted in Hawaii being named a Sovereign Nation Reservation, like on the Native American Nations on the mainland, anyone born after such an act would be eligible to run for President.
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So since Hawaii isnt an official state... Obama who was born in Hawaii cant be the president... right? Let me know what you all think.

I don't know about all that legalese mumbo jumbo, but Hawaii is in fact a State. Admitted into the Union in 1959. Obama born in 1961. Seems pretty clear cut that he meets the requirements to run.

Now, if one really wants to push the issue that Hawaii isn't a State, then perhaps Hawaii should be required to officially secede from the Union and we should remove one star from the US Flag.

LOL.... sorry but I don't see that happening.
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The U.S. considers Hawaii a state. As such, under U.S. law, he is qualified to run.

If the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement gets its wish and Hawaii goes completely independent, anyone born after such an action would be ineligible to run for President of the U.S.

If the movement resulted in Hawaii being named a Sovereign Nation Reservation, like on the Native American Nations on the mainland, anyone born after such an act would be eligible to run for President.
No disrespect but i dont think you read a damn word of what i posted. lol.

UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW number 103-150 states:
U.S. Congress "acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum" (U.S. Public Law 103-150 (107 Stat. 1510)).

The United States overthrew the Kingdom of Hawaii, (Look it up) and they admit it. In their own words, they say that Hawaii never gave up its sovereignty. Therefore, as of 1993 Hawaii is no longer a state. Please correct me if im wrong...
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I don't know about all that legalese mumbo jumbo, but Hawaii is in fact a State. Admitted into the Union in 1959. Obama born in 1961. Seems pretty clear cut that he meets the requirements to run.

Now, if one really wants to push the issue that Hawaii isn't a State, then perhaps Hawaii should be required to officially secede from the Union and we should remove one star from the US Flag.

LOL.... sorry but I don't see that happening.
PLEASE READ US PUBLIC LAW 103-150 BEFORE RESPONDING!!! LMAO!

typical of obama lovers. lol... j/k

And actually, a lot of Hawaiian natives DO support succession... considering how good ole uncle sam INVADED their land.

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Same can be said about McCain, he was born in Panama.
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PLEASE READ US PUBLIC LAW 103-150 BEFORE RESPONDING!!! LMAO!

typical of obama lovers. lol... j/k

And actually, a lot of Hawaiian natives DO support succession... considering how good ole uncle sam INVADED their land.

*shrugs*

just the truth.

I'm not going to read it because I don't really care that much. I was just offering my opinion. If they want to secede from the Union then I don't care.... let em. Until they do .... they are recognized as a State in the Union.... no matter what legal statue you post.

For the record.... I don't like Obama or McCain and won't be voting for either of them. I don't think either one of these candidates will make a good President.

BTW..... This isn't the first time this argument about HI and Obama's right to run has come up. Hillary Clinton is a lawyer..... don't you think if there was a chance in hell this could be challenged legally that she would have fought it to the death in court?
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Same can be said about McCain, he was born in Panama.
Yeah... uhhh... i dont support McCain either. Lol. Sorry to seem like i had an agenda, I was seriously just asking a question.

I guess i should edit the title and say;

BOTH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

wow. this is pretty fucked up.
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"The text of the law states that the U.S. Congress "acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum" (U.S. Public Law 103-150 (107 Stat. 1510))."

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So since Hawaii isnt an official state... Obama who was born in Hawaii cant be the president... right? Let me know what you all think.

More reading:
United States Public Law 103-150. 103rd Congress Joint Resolution 19. Nov. 23, 1993

Or just google: United States Public Law 103-150
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Oops... forgot to add this;



Specifically, the US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, reads...
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
That's very interesting, but makes me immediately wonder, what about those who are born in U.S. territories? Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S.V.I.? Once the U.S. gained these territories they did not immediately make the populations U.S. citizens. If I recollect correctly Puerto Ricans did not gain citizenship until sometime in the 1900s (in other words, I'm not sure my own grandparents were born as citizens, even though by the time they were born P.R. had been a U.S. territory for about 20 years).

What about other native peoples who were overrun by the U.S.?

What made you think of this, or where'd you find it?
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