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if it wasnt constitutional
they wouldnt let him run
period
so ur wrong.
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I'm not going to read it because I don't really care that much. I was just offering my opinion. If they want to secede from the Union then I don't care.... let em. Until they do .... they are recognized as a State in the Union.... no matter what legal statue you post.
With all do respect Florida Girl, if you arent going to read what i posted, dont respond. Im not asking you to read 3 pages of speculation. These are YOUR countries laws, and how in the hell are we going to change ANYTHING if we dont simply pay attention... or care?

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BTW..... This isn't the first time this argument about HI and Obama's right to run has come up. Hillary Clinton is a lawyer..... don't you think if there was a chance in hell this could be challenged legally that she would have fought it to the death in court?
*puts on tinfoil hat* Not if they are 2 different heads of the same beast.
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That's very interesting, but makes me immediately wonder, what about those who are born in U.S. territories? Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S.V.I.? Once the U.S. gained these territories they did not immediately make the populations U.S. citizens. If I recollect correctly Puerto Ricans did not gain citizenship until sometime in the 1900s (in other words, I'm not sure my own grandparents were born as citizens, even though by the time they were born P.R. had been a U.S. territory for about 20 years).

What about other native peoples who were overrun by the U.S.?

What made you think of this, or where'd you find it?
I was watching this dvd of a lady (cant remember her name) speak and she said Alaska and Hawaii arent states. My first reaction was WTF! This lady is crazy... i would have heard of this by now. So i jumped on the good ol internet... low and behold i learned something.
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what is this some random notion to derail the obama train, nothing stops a train, esp not skeletor.
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Therefore, as of 1993 Hawaii is no longer a state. Please correct me if im wrong.

Since he was born after Hawaii was made a state and before 1993, I'd have to say he's qualified, so what's the problem here? I'd say in this respect, McSame has more of a problem, Last time I checked, Panama isn't a state or part of the USA, and nowhere that I know of does the constitution include US bases in foriegn lands, but I may be wrong. I doubt being an admirals son precludes the constitution.
Did a lil reading up about McCain...

Born on a naval base in Panama.

Constitution says a president must be a natural born citizen. If you are born in panama on a naval base, you are NOT a natural born citizen.

Two candidates, NEITHER eligible to be president of the U.S.

Aint that some shit?
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You are incorrect.

I read it and the bulk of your argument rests on an apology to the people of Hawaii in a Joint Resolution of Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1993. Basically a proclamation, it does not enact any changes to the pre-existing law.
Which states...

"...Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum."

So if Hawaii was ADMITTED to never have constitutionally been a state... how does that not enact any change?
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what is this some random notion to derail the obama train, nothing stops a train, esp not skeletor.
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LMAO.

Excuse the fuck out of me for giving a DAMN about the US constitution.

SORRY for using LOGIC to stop me from joining a bandwagon.

I guess IM in the wrong.
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if it wasnt constitutional
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Did a lil reading up about McCain...

Born on a naval base in Panama.

Constitution says a president must be a natural born citizen. If you are born in panama on a naval base, you are NOT a natural born citizen.

Two candidates, NEITHER eligible to be president of the U.S.

Aint that some shit?
BINGO.... Neither one is eligible.... Sorry to disappoint either one of you Johnny or Vi, but GoodbyeFreedom is correct.
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Well, I was all for being nice, but Logic is not in your argument, you are trying to stretch and manipulate a law to invalidate a very wanted runner. While I feel you original argument for Obama is a stretch I am very surprised Mccain's history as such has never been mentioned. Obama was born in hawaii, which regardless of what they wanted was a state of the union. Mccain though born in panama I am going to email obama RIGHT NOW. just playin.
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