Obama Presidency... Unconstitiutional? - Page 2

natrone23 · #11 08-10-2008, 11:37 AM

You should make a youtube video about this, and spam forums with links to it

LoudBlunts · #12 08-10-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by natrone23

You should make a youtube video about this, and spam forums with links to it

LMAO!!!

medicineman · #13 08-10-2008, 12:40 PM

Therefore, as of 1993 Hawaii is no longer a state. Please correct me if im wrong.

Since he was born after Hawaii was made a state and before 1993, I'd have to say he's qualified, so what's the problem here? I'd say in this respect, McSame has more of a problem, Last time I checked, Panama isn't a state or part of the USA, and nowhere that I know of does the constitution include US bases in foriegn lands, but I may be wrong. I doubt being an admirals son precludes the constitution.

Johnnyorganic · #14 08-10-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodbyeFreedom

No disrespect but i dont think you read a damn word of what i posted. lol.

UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW number 103-150 states:
U.S. Congress "acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum" (U.S. Public Law 103-150 (107 Stat. 1510)).

The United States overthrew the Kingdom of Hawaii, (Look it up) and they admit it. In their own words, they say that Hawaii never gave up its sovereignty. Therefore, as of 1993 Hawaii is no longer a state. Please correct me if im wrong...

You are incorrect.

I read it and the bulk of your argument rests on an apology to the people of Hawaii in a Joint Resolution of Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1993. Basically a proclamation, it does not enact any changes to the pre-existing law.

medicineman · #15 08-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyorganic

You are incorrect.

I read it and the bulk of your argument rests on an apology to the people of Hawaii in a Joint Resolution of Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1993. Basically a proclamation, it does not does not enact any changes to the pre-existing law.

Either way, Obama was born in a state of the USA. McCain was not.

Johnnyorganic · #16 08-10-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by medicineman

Either way, Obama was born in a state of the USA. McCain was not.

True, but surely you aware aware of provisions in U.S. Federal Statute which grants citizenship to children born to American Citizens on a U.S. Military reservation, physical location notwithstanding.

If this were an issue, it would have been established when McCain ran for President the first time.

medicineman · #17 08-10-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyorganic

True, but surely you aware aware of provisions in U.S. Federal Statute which grants citizenship to children born to American Citizens on a U.S. Military reservation, physical location notwithstanding.

If this were an issue, it would have been established when McCain ran for President the first time.

Well blow me down. I assumed as much, although I didn't know the statute, damn. Just as well as McCain is not electable and someone else may be.

ViRedd · #18 08-10-2008, 03:57 PM

Damn, Johnny ... you beat me to it. ~lol~

Here's another thought on citizenship ...

Aren't we all citizens of the sovereign republics in which were born and live in? I was born and live in the Republic of California. Aren't I a Republic of California citizen? How did I become a citizen of Washington D.C.? I don't remember signing anything ... did you?

Vi

jahman2222 · #19 08-10-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamaiden

That's very interesting, but makes me immediately wonder, what about those who are born in U.S. territories? Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S.V.I.? Once the U.S. gained these territories they did not immediately make the populations U.S. citizens. If I recollect correctly Puerto Ricans did not gain citizenship until sometime in the 1900s (in other words, I'm not sure my own grandparents were born as citizens, even though by the time they were born P.R. had been a U.S. territory for about 20 years).

What about other native peoples who were overrun by the U.S.?

What made you think of this, or where'd you find it?

shit if i was born in puerto rico guam or usvi..id stay there never touch foot in the states and be happy and not give a shit about polotics

Seamaiden · #20 08-10-2008, 04:17 PM

No, you wouldn't. Why do you think there are more Puerto Ricans living in the U.S. than on the island? Think abject poverty doesn't exist in the U.S.? Go see the shanty-town below El Morro (but bring protection, this is where carjackings and the like were invented). Don't get me wrong, I love La Isla de Encanta, and I have connections, very good connections, but the local politics alone..? I don't know about the USVI, but in Guam, there is no farm land and there is little work. It's BEAUTIFUL, and I could spend a hell of a lot of time there, but... The mainland is where the opportunity is.

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