Hadith's writings aren't even in the Koran, it is a separate book. Not the religion it's self, Kind of like the writings of Josephus and Christianity, a historical perspective.
I have taken up the same arguments with some friends of mine who are muslims, they told me the same thing about the writings of Hadith.



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ok, so it's not in the koran but the hadith is still a cornerstone document. sharia is based on the hadith and until just a few years ago sharia allowed grown men to marry 9 year old girls. they raised the age to 13.

Bereft: Did you know Pedophilia is Legal in Iran According to Sharia


did these muslims tell you about the verses that command them not to befriend non-muslims?

The Dinner Table
[5.80] You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.


The Family of Imran
[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.


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[quote=7xstall;97479]so then, during WWI and WWII we should have allowed Germany, Italy and Japan to open branch offices in our borders? never mind the inconvenience of the occasional military operation resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

islam is not a religion. just because they bend over toward a rock every day doesn't make it a religion any more than pointing your right hand straight out at an angle makes the nazi salute religious.



Islam is not a religion. And you do not exist. Now we have the basis for your logic. See how you are flawed? I doubt it...

i don't understand what you're saying silk.

it's also possible that you don't understand what i'm saying because you have decided, in advance, that i'm wrong. i have not decided that you are wrong so i would appreciate clarification.






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that link isn't the sole basis of my assumptions, but the facts about iran and sharia do contribute to the basic assumptions i have given.

please tell me where i can find the part of the koran that says to respect all religions. if you want to call it cherry picking that's fine. however, these are relevant parts of the islamic manifesto and their content is not contextual; these are intact, full statements.




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Read your way through these.

Not only that, The Muslims I know say it is a command to respect other religions.
Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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i don't see a verse, maybe the link didn't work.




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after going through the link you gave to the wiki article i am even more convinced that islam is nothing but a political system that sprang up as an attempt to clone the Roman church's great success at intertwining government and "religious" looking activities.

they use a systematic conquer and commit strategy.

they dictate specific behaviors.

they create a homogeneous court system.

they have a militant philosophy of expansion.


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Islamic law covers all aspects of life, from broad topics of governance and foreign relations all the way down to issues of daily living.


The Qur'an and Sunnah also detail laws of inheritance, marriage, restitution for injuries and murder, as well as rules for fasting, charity, and prayer. However, the prescriptions and prohibitions may be broad, so their application in practice varies. Islamic scholars, the ulema, have elaborated systems of law on the basis of these broad rules, supplemented by the hadith reports of how Muhammad and his companions interpreted them.[86]



The formative period of Islamic jurisprudence stretches back to the times of the early Muslim communities. In this period, the theoretical concerns of the jurists associated with more pragmatic issues of authority and teaching: there had yet to be any crystallization and universality in the application of legal principles.[89] This eventually did occur, with the coming of early Muslim jurist ash-Shafi'i, who codified the basic principles of Islamic jurisprudence in his book "ar-Risālah", detailing the four aforementioned roots of law, while specifying that the primary Islamic texts (i.e. the Qur'an, and verified statements of Muhammad) be understood according to objective rules of interpretation as derived from scientific study of the Arabic language.[90]



Islamic etiquettes practiced by Muslims include saying bismillah ("in the name of God") before eating and drinking and then using the right hand for the purpose, greeting with "as-salamu `alaykum" (peace be unto you), saying Alhamdulillah ("praise be to God") when sneezing and responding with yarhamukallah (may God have mercy on you), and similarly saying the Adhan (prayer call) in the right ear of a newborn and the Iqama in their left.




Muslims, like Jews, are restricted in their diet.




Jihad is literally struggle in the way of God and is sometimes referred to as the sixth pillar of Islam, although it occupies no official status as such.[101] Within the realms of Islamic jurisprudence, jihad usually refers to military exertion against non-Muslim combatants.


Although some Islamic scholars have differered on the implementation of Jihad, there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression.




Despite the military successes of the Muslims at this time, the political atmosphere was not without controversy. With Umar assassinated in 644, the election of Uthman as successor was met with gradually increasing opposition.[113] He was subsequently accused of nepotism, favoritism and of introducing reprehensible religious innovations, though in reality the motivations for such charges were economic.[113] Like Umar, Uthman too was then assassinated, in 656. Ali then assumed the position of caliph, although tensions soon escalated into what became the first civil war (the "First Fitna") when numerous companions of Muhammad, including Uthman's relative Muawiyah (who was assigned by Uthman as governor of Syria) and Muhammad's wife Aisha, sought to avenge the slaying of Uthman. Ali's forces defeated the latter at the Battle of the Camel, but the encounter with Muawiyah proved indecisive, with both sides agreeing to arbitration. Ali retained his position as caliph but had been unable to bring Mu'awiyah's territory under his command




In the early 16th century, the Shi'ite Safavid dynasty assumed control in Persia under the leadership of Shah Ismail I, upon the defeat of the ruling Turcoman federation Aq Qoyunlu (also called the "White Sheep Turkomans") in 1501. The Ottoman sultan Selim I quickly sought to repel Safavid expansion, challenging and defeating them at the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514. Selim I also deposed the ruling Mamluks in Egypt, absorbing their territories into the Ottoman Empire in 1517.













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This is the definition by encarta of religion:

re·li·gion (plural re·li·gions)

noun
Definition: 1. beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

2. system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine

3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by
The danger is that you start to make fitness a religion.

Seems to me that islam fits in there just fine, It is fairly easy to fit all muslims under a same category, same practices, and same lifestyles, yet it would be unfair to do so. As in every religion , different interpretations of the coran lead to different religious practices. The verses you quoted are from a particular translation of the coran, which is a difficult text to translate since the lack of vowels makes for different interpretations of the same passage. Their is, for instance a part of the coran which states what the prophet would do if a wife was unfaithful, controversial as it may be, it states that women should be first ''scolded verbally'' then the husband should ''hit'' the woman, yet the same word ''hit'' has several meanings such as ''lock'' , ''leave'' and a few others i do not recall. This changes the meaning radically, and there is still no real concensus between muslims as to how the coran should be read (i.e: which interpretation).

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