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Old 07-17-2008, 09:38 PM
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Iraq's security 'remarkably better'

Joint Chiefs chairman hints at drawdown

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Thursday, July 17, 2008
The nation's top military officer Wednesday declared the security situation in Iraq "remarkably better," so good in fact that he expects to recommend more U.S. troop reductions this fall if conditions hold.

Just back from a tour of two war fronts - Iraq and the Afghanistan-Pakistan region - Adm. Michael G. Mullen said he expected to witness improvements in Baghdad and across Iraq, but was surprised by how well a 17-month-old U.S. troop surge has worked.

"I won't go so far as to say that progress in Iraq, from a military perspective, has reached a tipping point or it is irreversible," Adm. Mullen, the Joint Chiefs chairman, said at a press conference with Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates. "But security is unquestionably and remarkably better."

The last of five reinforcement combat brigades have left Iraq, leaving behind 15 such units. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, a key architect of the February 2007 surge and recently confirmed by the Senate to lead U.S. Central Command, has called for several months of assessment before deciding whether to reduce troop levels below about 145,000.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, gave a positive review of the security situation in Iraq on Wednesday, but were less optimistic in their assessment of Afghanistan. (Getty Images)


But Adm. Mullen's statement that "I expect to be able early in the fall to recommend to the secretary and to the president further troop reductions" is a clear signal that top commanders in Iraq think a continued drawdown is warranted.

The two most important questions in the equation are: Can the Iraqi Security Forces inherit and win the fight, and is the insurgency nearly defeated?

Last week, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki declared that his country had defeated al Qaeda in Iraq, the Osama bin Laden terrorist franchise that at one time controlled much of Anbar province west of Baghdad and sent suicide bombers to the capital at will.

The administration now reports that violence in Iraq has plummeted from 1,400 incidents a week to fewer than 400 nationwide.

Adm. Mullen was not so optimistic about the war in Afghanistan, saying commanders there pressed him to supply more U.S. troops to reinforce the 32,000 already present. Taliban forces last week were able to execute a daring sophisticated attack on a U.S. outpost in Wanat that killed nine American service members.

"It's a tougher fight. It's a more complex fight," he said. "They need more troops to have the long-term impact."
Mr. Gates said the Pentagon is studying ways to send reinforcements, but Adm. Mullen previously said that no additional troops are available for

Afghanistan until Iraq supplies more of its own.
Adm. Mullen and Mr. Gates said Pakistan has failed to stem the flow of fighters recruited and trained in unregulated tribal areas.
"We're seeing a greater number of insurgents and foreign fighters flowing across the border with Pakistan, unmolested and unhindered," Adm. Mullen said. "This movement needs to stop."

The Joint Chiefs chairman said the administration is trying to persuade Pakistanis to take action by impressing on them the internal threat they face from militants and al Qaeda terrorists operating in the tribal areas.
"We see this threat accelerating," he said. "We see it almost becoming a syndicate of different groups who heretofore had not worked closely together."

The new Pakistani civilian government pledged to tighten the border. But after launching several operations earlier in the month, it also talked of negotiating with militant tribal leaders instead of fighting them. The U.S. says such agreements in the past produced nothing.
"There is no question that the absence of pressure on the Pakistani side of the border is creating an opportunity for more people to cross the border and launch attacks," Mr. Gates said.

Still, the admiral spoke of progress he tracked in southern Afghanistan, the birthplace of the Taliban's harsh Islamist rule. Marines and Army soldiers have liberated villages and trained Afghan forces to hold them. "Clearly, we have a long way to go but we are making strides," Adm. Mullen said.
The Pentagon sent 3,500 Marines into southern Afghanistan in the spring to stem a Taliban offensive. The unit is scheduled to leave in November.
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You're being played by Al Q... they shift their resources in a matter of hours.. Back and forth to Afganistan & Iraq.... they are playing bush like a fiddle.... Wait if you don't see an up surge if they draw down..thats why they should just leave..They wanted Hussain and they got him..let the Iraq people get their own shit together.. As long as there is an American target they will move forces to counter...look at the last big afgan attack...they were outnumbered by about 10 -1... Why...where was the all mighty US intelligence agency.. So now gates is trying to sound like he has a plan, when all he really has is a response.. can't win when on defense.... Screw Iraq and get Bin Laden... thats what that ass Bush should have done instead of trying to make up for his old mans failure.... DUH...why are my helicopters all crashing... hey bush Sr. .....it's called sand..... putz
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Winning in Iraq, what, did the oil contracts finally get signed, are they drilling for oil in the provinces., (laughing my ass off) winning in Iraq, what a joke! The winning will start when troop withdrawel begins, not a minute sooner.
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Winning in Iraq, what, did the oil contracts finally get signed, are they drilling for oil in the provinces., (laughing my ass off) winning in Iraq, what a joke! The winning will start when troop withdrawel begins, not a minute sooner.
You and your fellow "progressive" travelers would have really been pleased if we had gotten completely decimated in Iraq. I mean, anything to discredit the guy who "stole" the last two elections, right, Med? Even wishing for an American defeat isn't beyond you guys. Shame ... shame ... shame!

Did you read this part of the first post:

The nation's top military officer Wednesday declared the security situation in Iraq "remarkably better," so good in fact that he expects to recommend more U.S. troop reductions this fall if conditions hold.

The "patriotism" and "support" for America and the troops coming from those who would rather live on the sunrise side of the Berlin Wall is there for all to see.

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You and your fellow "progressive" travelers would have really been pleased if we had gotten completely decimated in Iraq. I mean, anything to discredit the guy who "stole" the last two elections, right, Med? Even wishing for an American defeat isn't beyond you guys. Shame ... shame ... shame!

Thats crap.. I'd wager NO ONE not even dems want any lost to those brave people..but you're proving one of my points..just because we want the troops in the RIGHT place, we are un patriotic..same old lame repb. scare monger shit.... we're talking a smart deployment, not a campaign to boost the Bush's digusting need for acclaim..they are pathetic.. the Iraq war was run by an incompetent administration.. And as for the "top military off."...see what happens to your job & rank if you disagree... Bush has let HIS top military advisers only do what HE wants...... shame..

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The nation's top military officer Wednesday declared the security situation in Iraq "remarkably better," so good in fact that he expects to recommend more U.S. troop reductions this fall if conditions hold.

Only b
ecause they've gone to Afganistan...they'll be back if the US stays...

The "patriotism" and "support" for America and the troops coming from those who would rather live on the sunrise side of the Berlin Wall is there for all to see.

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You mean the same asshole that lied about Iraqi and Iran is suddenly telling the truth? ... yeah ... right ...

Red Cross paints bleak picture of Iraq
Internally displaced Iraqis, especially women and children, face a dire humanitarian situation, the head of the International Red Cross in Iraq said.
The fate of the people of Iraq was never a consideration for this administration; it was about the oil, and "neutralizing" one of Israel's many enemies in the region. - M. R.
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and that my friends is what its like to be invested in defeat

you cant accept when things are going good when u have invested so much in defeat, right?
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