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Old 07-06-2008, 04:48 PM
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Lets go over some facts..

YouTube - If You're an American you should see THIS! for real

Fluoride is a poison and should ONLY BE USED TOPICALLY, as in a toothpaste and not to be ingested.

YouTube - Dangers of Fluoride (for the kiddies)

YouTube - Fluoride Poisoning (for the elders)




People that believe there is more to 911 than what the gov't tells us. (YouTube - Celebrities For 9/11 Truth)

Rosie O'donnell

YouTube - rosie o'donnell 911

YouTube - Rosie O'Donnell saying the truth about 9/11

George Carlin

YouTube - George Carlin on America (and 9/11) (watch this one)

YouTube - George Carlin comments on 9/11 Truth and the NWO

YouTube - AMERICA IS TYRANNY - George Carlin R.I.P.

Charlie Sheen

YouTube - Charlie Sheen 9-11 Inside Job

YouTube - 9/11 Charlie Sheen on the Jimmy Kimmel Show

Willie Nelson

YouTube - Willie Nelson on 9/11: Twin Towers Demolished

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" - Complete 2 Hour Presentation | 911blogger.com


This guy

YouTube - 9/11: The Case for Controlled Demolition


MIT Engineer

YouTube - MIT Engineer Disputes 911 Theory of the WTC Collapse-Part 1

YouTube - Debunking Novas Pancake Theory of WTC using common sense (Do you guys not have any logic? Watch this and comment on what you think about it)

NYC firefighters

YouTube - 9/11 NYC Firefighters Controlled Demolition

YouTube - 911 WTC Basement Explosions video and photographic proof


(Larry Silverstein- new owner of WTC complex) Maybe the smartest thing to do was pull it, because we didn't want the bombs to be found, and we pulled it..

YouTube - WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein


Alex Jones predicts 911

YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911


Fox News reported that WTC7 collapsed before it actually did

YouTube - FOX-5 Reports 9/11/01: WTC-7 Collapsed Before Actual Event




This is the TRUTH about "Global Warming"

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Channel: UKUFO on LiveVideo.com



Misc. stuff worth seeing.. You should watch all of these and then tell me 911 was not an inside job.

YouTube - Here's something the government didn't want you to see

YouTube - When History Repeats Itself 9/11 WTC Pentagon 911 Debunked

Bull! Not Bull - Favorite Videos: The Fiat Money System - Dr. Bill Veith with Alex Jones


The Money Masters - Part 1 of 2
The Money Masters - Part 2 of 2

Ring of Power - Parts 1-5 - Sprword.com
Ring of Power - Parts 6-10 - Sprword.com


ENDGAME- ALEX JONES - Blueprint for Global Enslavement

Esoteric Agenda - Sprword.com

America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version


You guys get the point... I hope..

911 was an inside job..

911 was an inside job...

911 was an inside job..

Let any anti-conspiracy theory people refute any video that I present. Please tell me where the false facts are! Thanks.. Enjoy guys

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Old 07-09-2008, 02:14 AM
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BBC NEWS | Americas | Third tower mystery 'solved'

Some people are idiots for believing this ^^^^

I was watching the 911 movie and came here to put it in my 911 thread ... then I saw this one ...

... I checked out the link above ... and because the BBC ask a so called demolition expert if it was possible to demolish the buildings and he claim only in a Bruce Willis movie ... yet he doesn't say WHY ... we are merely to accept his word ... so in their view because this asshole says it can't happen ... mystery solved ... the architect who explain why it was demolish and supported it with science ... well they said it was just a comment ...

It amazes me how people actually believe a building design to withstand fire ... which in history has never happen before ... in fact those building like the WTC that caught fire ... burn a hell of a lot longer ... are still standing and are being used today ... yet people believe that fire that couldn't have been hot enough brought down skyscrapers in less than 20 sec ... forget about science ... corporate media told them it did ... so it did ...

About the movie ... after watching it ... I was given a sense of hope ... those young men and women are extremely brave to get out there and speak truth to power ... the way the cops kept harassing two 911 truthers walking from CO. to Washington DC ... with a sign about 911 being an inside job ... these cops were extremely intimidating, but these guys stood their ground and knew the law ... these are Light Workers doing God's work ... exposing the lies with their Light ...

.... Alex Jones and the kid that confronted Clinton former adviser ... and several politicians plus elitists ... has a set of balls on them ...
... and Clinton ... that MF talking about "how dare you" when told 911 was an inside job ... that MF and his old lady are in on the shit ... all of them are ... that are part of the elite leadership of the DNC and GOP ...

... the fact that they are denying health care to first responders is another indication of their guilt and involvement ...

... and the people that get mad at 911 truthers who call them names because corporate media told them so are the ones that are the morons ... they have to be to believe a skyscraper can fall in 15 sec due to fire ... now that really stupid ...

... all I can say is God Bless the 911 truth tellers ... it is people like them that gives me faith in America and Americans ...
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this Michael Reagan guy doesn't deserve to be alive, that's all i have to say about that scumbag.
You mean like all of the other "vermin" such as Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Catholics and the Infirmed?



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if those "vermin" hate on truth seekers/speakers for their beliefs, then hell yes.

if they have a problem with it, they should just shut up and turn their backs. just like those politicians and media whores do with unexpected questions.
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if those "vermin" hate on truth seekers/speakers for their beliefs, then hell yes.

if they have a problem with it, they should just shut up and turn their backs. just like those politicians and media whores do with unexpected questions.
So then, its very important to be on the side of "The Truth" isn't it? And if you are on the side of "The Truth," it only makes sense to kill anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint, doesn't it?

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man i think im spending too much time in here, im starting to catch myself thinking most poeple are crazy thinkin people like you guys, but i have to keep reminding myself a lot of you guys here are the leftist of the leftist wingbats in this country

it encourages me when I see the boys the younger ones all commin out for this country and can see through all this bullshit


you guys remind me a lil of the guys being duped into strapping bombs to themselves and comitting suicide


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So then, its very important to be on the side of "The Truth" isn't it? And if you are on the side of "The Truth," it only makes sense to kill anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint, doesn't it?

it's important to be on the side that doesn't fuck you over.
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man i think im spending too much time in here, im starting to catch myself thinking most people are crazy thinkin people like you guys....
for once it seems we have too much information. with the most unpopular president in recent history guiding us into an increasingly unpopular war, the crazies are bound to come out of the woodwork with a vengeance. opinion becomes fact, innuendo becomes truth and it's all splashed across the screen in living color. in what other time would an idiot like rosie o'donnell be considered a credible source? everyone with an ax to grind is blaming any scapegoat possible and our ever growing distrust of government makes it all seem logical. experts are called in to testify and next week they are on the best seller's list, spin masters on both sides are screaming for your attention so they can sell you the dvd, conspiracy nuts that would have been laughed at under any other circumstances are given glowing revues and treated as the gurus of the new faith, and it all seems so plausible as it glows on your computer monitor. it must be true because i saw it on youtube, it sounds sort of like he must be right because he's on tv.
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Dogma may be defined as established opinion, a doctrine put forth without evidence, or as a body of doctrines supported authoritatively by a church. But when you consider a combination of all three--an established opinion without evidence, supported by the authority of supernatural beliefs--you have a summation of everything that the JREF is opposed to. As it so happens, religion is the largest central distributor of dogma, but you can find it within other circles of opinion as well.

Theology is defined as "faith justified by reason." But this is another way of saying "A conclusion in search of a justification." This was the dominant philosophical approach of the dark ages, and it was this habit that kept them in the dark. Beliefs were fortified and communicated, supported only by citations of other beliefs, forming a circle of opinion with no means of objective correction. Theology remained a circle jerk, somewhat like partisan bloggers, who reinforce their mutual preconceptions by echoing them back and forth, referencing each other, accepting only what evidence confirms their beliefs and ignoring the rest (when they reference evidence at all.) This is the modus operendi of dogmatists, and it can become a prison which is difficult escape. This is what made science impossible in the dark ages, and it was only when a central dogmatic authority of the Catholic Church was shattered that science and philosophy could flourish.

This same hermetically sealed community of belief can also be found amongst political ideologues, proponents of various pseudo-sciences and occult dogmas, and amongst conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists are notorious for this tendency to form communities of the deluded, for in their case the opinions they hold are often so outrageously wrong that conspiracists often appear genuinely insane. The internet has been instrumental in the rise of new conspiracy theories because it provides the opportunity to form the kind of closed, circular, and mutually reinforcing groupthink which was previously available only to close knit religious communities or tightly structured political groups. This means that conspiracists should be properly considered as a species of dogmatic believer similar to members of a religious sect.

Religious and political philosophies, however, may incorporate valid ethical and social observations, which may attract followers with different motivations, diluting the purely dogmatic elements. Consumers of pseudo-science make common cognitive mistakes which requires research to dispel; many may simply have not taken the time to know better, and may not have much at stake (those who pay thousands to psychics and faith healers are another matter). Their entertainment of nonsense may be casual and not a central feature of their personality; when the stakes are high, they go to a doctor, not a homeopath. Conspiracy theorists, on the other hand, are usually quite dedicated and quite vociferous in what they believe. But most importantly, conspiracists are barking mad--pure dogmatists. Examination of conspiracists will throw light on the nature and habits of purely dogmatic believers of all kinds.

Conspiracists share in common with other dogmatic believers the following traits:

1) Epistemological Incompetence. Conspiracists lack basic tools of comprehension concerning the way the world works. These include a poor understanding of logic, science, and human nature. They have little or no grasp of what James Flynn calls shorthand abstractions (SHA's). SHA's include the concepts of the market, percentage, natural selection, random samples, control groups, the naturalistic fallacy, the charisma effect, placebo effect, falsifiability and tautology, and the tolerance school fallacy. Some of these you may recognize by name, and I'm not going to go into a full explanation of all of them. Flynn's work is stellar. He is best known for the Flynn effect, the measured gradual rise in IQ over the last century. His conception of the SHA's is a must read; Flynn believes that the acceptance of scientific ways of thinking is responsible for the Flynn effect. You can find it here. This is where he lists and describes the SHA's and several anti-SHA's, the latter being common misperceptions leading to false conclusions.

The important point is that these are tools needed to understand the modern world. Without them, conspiracists literally do not understand how the world works. This is the root cause of all of their other problems. The conspiracy theory not only exploits this weakness, but reinforces it. Acceptance of conspiracy theories may in the long term actually impair the ability for critical thinking. One conspiracy theory leads to another, and all seem to lead, eventually, to the moral and cognitive black hole of anti-semitism.

2) Epistemological Relativism. Since conspiracists do not understand the methods for reaching a correct conclusion, all conclusions are equal and based solely upon the weight of authority. In short, there is no truth, only opinion. It is a sad fact that someone can acquire a scientific or technical degree without ever fully understanding the scientific method. It is possible to take the results of science as received wisdom, and parrot it back successfully on exams, without understanding how it was derived. Dogmas are conclusions, cues to stop thinking, rather than means of arriving at conclusions. There are some that will learn science in this way, and never move beyond the dogmatic mindset.

3) Confirmation Bias. Conspiracists disregard arguments that refute their thesis, usually by relying on the Genetic Fallacy--the source is in on the conspiracy, and therefore cannot be trusted. There is no truth, only opinion, and only the right opinion is acceptable. The Grand Cabal "got to them", or their interests are somehow served by the conspiracy. Their motives are therefore impure, and nothing they say can be considered worthy to discredit the conspiracy theory. Since conspiracists consider all arguments to be arguments from authority, the choice is not between correct methodologies, but correct authority.

4) Selective Bias. Conspiracists emphasize only those snippets of fact that confirm their beliefs, and disregard or dismiss the bulk of evidence which refutes their thesis. A common practice is quote mining, where a single statement (or even a portion of a statement) is quoted out of context as evidence for the theory. When the original source objects to the interpretation of the quote, the conspiracists fall back on the Genetic Fallacy, claiming that the source has been compromised since the original statement. Conspiracy theories are therefore unfalsifiable.

5) Exceptionalism. Conspiracists grant their own theories exception from logical or methodological principles that they routinely apply in the rest of their lives. Occam's Razor is a good example of an abandoned principle; it is hard to believe that a qualified engineer would not be familiar with this logical tool, yet there are many engineers amongst "Truthers", whose theories concerning the events of 9/11 multiply entities on a grand scale while the real explanation is remarkably simple.

6) 'Gaps' Arguments. Rather than provide a comprehensive argument, backed by evidence, conspiracists rely on a false dichotomy, attempting to argue that there are inconsistencies in the accepted explanation, and then presenting their own as the only alternative. When these gaps are filled the conspiracists pretend not to hear the new evidence, and continue to point to gaps that have in fact been filled. Since this new information contradicts their claims, it will not appear in discussions amongst the conspiracists, and will be blithely ignored when presented by someone else. This additional information is, in their mind, intended to refute what they have already decided is true and therefore obviously ideologically based and not worthy of consideration.
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