That's why we have to focus the fight, ITS THE ECONOMY. We, as a nation are bankrupt. We have 'consumed' our way there by ignoring economic principles. If you spend more than you earn you end up in the whole. We have to stop digging and fill the hole. Slick Willy had it right, It's the economy stupid!!. Did anyone see Ron Pauls interview with Bill Moyers. I found them on U tube same page as the South Carolina Debates. If I remember right Bill used to have a show on NPR and was a reporter for one of the National's I think. In any case, that interview and the 'Town Hall Meeting' to replace the debate he was not allowed in DR. Paul time to tie the different area's together, the economy, foreign policy, and the costs of policing the World. I thin it would be helpful for him to talk about the ripple effect of our troops spending thier incomes in the US. His comment about border control in Iraq instead of the US made so much sense a child could understand it.
Dr. Paul's reaction to the 'tough' questions is definately allowing him to make his points hit home harder.
I have watched the Republican Parties Capitulation to 'Big Government'. A life of public service, my ass. They remind me of the hollywood producer. He was asked why it costs 20 million dollars to produce a film. His response was you can't steal a million unless you are spending a lot. VV

The Traitor in Chief is as smart man. Most people vote the economy. By the way, that line, "it's the economy stupid" I believe came from James Carvell. But, the republicans are not doing very well, because of this issue. Bush has gutted the economy and only Dr. Paul understands macro economic theory and application. So we have a lame-duck Prez being followed by lame-brain Congressional republicans, who are afraid of their party.

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Notice they list two things Government can do, spend more money, which is the problem to begin with or lowerinterest rates, which will further de-value the dollar. This is just more of the same. We have t stop spending more money than we have, simple as that. VV

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not so simple when our monetary system is based on debt. the debt is always increasing, yes spending less money we have is good in theory but no so good/easy in practice.

maybe for the individual though...

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I didn't say 'easy' I said simple. I hear the thousnds of commercials about Credit Card debt, the irs etc. ruining your life. IF we don't bite the bullet and start saving money this coutry is gpoing to collapse. VV

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The smartest talking heads are at the Federal Reserve Bank. Unfortunately, they are a very biased opinion group. Before they became paid insiders they would have said one thing, now they say what the boss tells them to say.

Anyway, the talking heads say we need to "spend more" or we will fuel a recession. I believe this advise is nuts. We need to start saving a little more and paying down consumer debt.

Getting a little production back into the USA would be nice, also. Oh, how can we reduce gasoline prices? Stop buying so much gas. Supply and demand will work for the consumer, and lower the pump price.

They say that because they know what we are committed to paying. In order to pay for all of the 'entitlements' with fewer people working and more 'retired' in we don't continue to 'expand' the economy it will collapse. When my wife and I visited Germany, around the year 2000 we got 99euros/ $100.00. Now the exchange is $2.59/euro. If we don't get this changed we will have a coolapse that will make the great depression look like a cake walk. America interest has to be in America. You want to do business in a foriegn country go ahead, you do so at your own peril, we are not capable of financing the policing of the world, for the interests of a few 'multinational' corporations.
This huge buildup of 'Federal Government's power' started for good reasons, the Constitution was being ignored, and the Federal Government had to step in and protect the rights of our citizens. In addition to that agreements on a National Highway System was popular. And the erosion of local control continued with increased taxes and 'revenue sharing', which allowed the 'Federal Government' to decide what local projects would get done. Well.. VV

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Geeze VV, I see you really get it. America has to be for America, well done. We must take care of our citizens first then worry about the wellbeing of the CEOs. When a CEO makes more in ten minutes than the average worker makes in a year, there is something rotten in Denmark. Yes there is a need for federal oversight. If left to the states, projects like highways etc. would be corrupted by local politicians for monetary reasons. We need to clean house in congress, the presidency and our state legislatures also. This last election in Nv., they elected a big crook for governor, even after he was caught trying to force himself on a woman in the parking lot of a bar. Now they have found more scandolous shit on the asshole, and it gets better, he was a Repuke, go figure, at least it was a woman, not a man,~LOL~. Now the asshole has cut 90 Million from the state school budgets and is looking to cut more, instead of raising the Gambling tax which is only 3% while we, the citizens pay 7.75% sales tax. The Gambling lobby has him on their payroll, thats for sure, they were the ones that got him elected in the first place. I'll bet his next move is to instate the dreaded state income tax.

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Geeze VV, I see you really get it. America has to be for America, well done. We must take care of our citizens first then worry about the wellbeing of the CEOs. When a CEO makes more in ten minutes than the average worker makes in a year, there is something rotten in Denmark. Yes there is a need for federal oversight. If left to the states, projects like highways etc. would be corrupted by local politicians for monetary reasons.

Unfortunately, I have seen it develop. More on that later.
This argument about corruption at the state and local level isn't gone with Federal Control, you can't steal a billion if the budgets only $900,000,000.00 Local control, easier accountability. Don't get caught in that trap.

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We need to clean house in congress, the presidency and our state legislatures also.

What we need is a change in philosophy. Pre-emptive war cannot be our foreign policy. The war on our citizens must end and self reliance, with limited interference from government. Constitutional Federal Government.

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VV Thanks for all of the great links. I have lots of reading to do and I can assure you I will read them all. Once i start I cant stop... and think I never liked to read before.. Because of marijuana I read more and thats the truth!! public rallys is what we need. they cannot arrest everyone and after a few of them they will just leave us alone. I hope my state votes on MM this year. I need to be doing more to help. if I wanted to make a donation where would it be best spent!! Please keep posting the articles and i will keep reading!! Thanks ALOT!!!