Forum Shop Market
Seeds FAQ Tools
SEE OUR MARIJUANA SEED GUIDE FOR THE BEST STRAINS
Looking for Legal Marijuana look no further!
Go Back   Marijuana Growing > Cannabis Cafe > Politics


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1    
Old 06-12-2008, 06:31 PM
Dankdude's Avatar
Mr.Ganja
Mr. Ganja
Dankdude is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in Texas
Posts: 2,880
Dankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to behold
Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Default A Third Rebuke to Bush on Guantánamo Bay
A Third Rebuke to Bush on GuantĂ¡namo Bay - US News and World Report

By Emma Schwartz
Posted June 12, 2008

The Supreme Court decision will mean a flood of new cases in federal court

Today's U.S. Supreme Court ruling allowing detainees at Guantánamo Bay to challenge their imprisonment in federal court was a clear rebuke to the Bush administration—and the third against its approach toward Guantánamo detainees. But what implications the case has for the future of the island prison and the pending trials against some of the detainees are hardly clear.

In a 5-to-4 majority, the Supreme Court held that given the absence of a formal revocation of habeas protections, the detainees had a right to those full protections guaranteed by the Constitution. "The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority.

By extending habeas protections to noncitizens held under U.S. control, the Supreme Court opened the door for courts to decide whether their detention was ultimately constitutional.

In the short term, the decision will mean a flood of new cases in the federal courts. But the ruling could also have implications for the pending military commission trials, including trials for those charged with aiding the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. In opening up the avenues for Guantánamo detainees to challenge their imprisonment, the ruling allows even those charged with crimes in another venue to raise the broader constitutional challenges they have made about their detention, detainee lawyers say.

The opinion was met with a vociferous dissent in which Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that "this decision is not really about the detainees at all, but about control of federal policy regarding enemy combatants."

The Supreme Court first ruled in 2004 that some constitutional protections apply to Guantánamo Bay detainees, even though the United States is not the ultimate sovereign of the territory. By 2006, Congress had passed the Military Commissions Act, which barred detainees from filing habeas petitions for their release. In effect, detainees could question not their imprisonment but only the government's determination of their status as an "enemy combatant." And they could appeal only to a single forum—the conservative U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.

In today's ruling, the Supreme Court held that this narrow review did not meet the constitutional standard required by habeas. In particular, the court noted that this process unfairly prevented detainees from introducing new evidence prohibited in the original proceedings.

Wrote Kennedy: "Even when all the parties involved in this process act with diligence and in good faith, there is considerable risk of error in the tribunal's findings of fact. . . . And given that the consequence of error may be detention of persons for the duration of hostilities that may last a generation or more, this is a risk too significant to ignore."

The cases, the majority acknowledged, lacked any "precise historical parallel," but the gravity of the legal issues and "the fact that these detainees have been denied meaningful access to a judicial forum for a period of years render these cases exceptional," Kennedy wrote.

The ruling, however, did not make any broad statements about the constitutionality of the government's detention programs elsewhere. And it cautioned the federal courts to protect national security concerns in devising habeas procedures.

But before any decisions are made, there are myriad legal questions for the district court judges to sort out. First and foremost, judges would need to figure out the procedures and scope of the habeas proceedings. This is something that Roberts warned could actually prolong the process further. Figuring out how to protect classified information could also lead to litigation. Says Robert Chesney, a national security law professor at Wake Forest University, "There are a million unanswered questions here."
__________________
http://liberalredneck.org/albums/album04/Mao_Mart.jpg
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn
Reply With Quote
  #2    
Old 06-12-2008, 09:09 PM
mockingbird131313's Avatar
Teaching How To Roll
Mr. Ganja
mockingbird131313 is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: I'm lost in a large city.
Posts: 1,486
mockingbird131313 will become famous soon enough
Points: 3,964, Level: 9 Points: 3,964, Level: 9 Points: 3,964, Level: 9
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
This mess will get worse not better. My read is that the decision opened some doors for the detainees, yet did not define any boundaries. The 5-4 split, among the justices, surely means this will be revisited in a year or too. And suppose the tribunal decides a couple of these guys should be executed. Then they have an automatic appeal to the Supreme Court?
Reply With Quote
  #3    
Old 06-12-2008, 11:32 PM
joepro's Avatar
Veteran Smoker
Mr. Ganja
joepro is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,791
joepro is just really nicejoepro is just really nicejoepro is just really nicejoepro is just really nice
Points: 9,323, Level: 14 Points: 9,323, Level: 14 Points: 9,323, Level: 14
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by mockingbird131313 View Post
And suppose the tribunal decides a couple of these guys should be executed. Then they have an automatic appeal to the Supreme Court?
as of today, yes...american laws apply.
Now they get to flood the court system,lawyer up and drag it out,all on our dime.
..but it's fair regardless of the money.
__________________
"Years ago, my mother used to say to me, In this world, Elwood, you must be oh, so smart or oh, so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. And you can quote me." Elwood P Dowd.
Reply With Quote
  #4    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:07 AM
VTXDave's Avatar
Veteran Smoker
Mr. Ganja
VTXDave is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wild, Wild West
Posts: 1,743
VTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to behold
Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
The title of this thread is misleading and implies an ulterior motive Dank. If you've read your very post you'd see that it's not all about Bush...
Quote:
By 2006, Congress had passed the Military Commissions Act, which barred detainees from filing habeas petitions for their release. In effect, detainees could question not their imprisonment but only the government's determination of their status as an "enemy combatant." And they could appeal only to a single forum—the conservative U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.


Please note that it was CONGRESS and not just our Fuhrer, Bush. Perhaps we can cast a scrutinizing eye upon our elected officials as well, yes? The POTUS just signs shit that Congress hands him. And if you think I'm defending Bush, you'd be wrong. I just think that your hatred is misdirected. Look to the representatives that you elected to represent you in Congress as well. Have you checked their voting records? Yes Bush signed the Act, but Congress passed it and submitted it to him. If Congress had voted against it...It never would have made it to his desk. They are all complicit.

Last edited by VTXDave; 06-13-2008 at 12:10 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #5    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Dankdude's Avatar
Mr.Ganja
Mr. Ganja
Dankdude is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in Texas
Posts: 2,880
Dankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to behold
Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
So your against due process dave???
__________________
http://liberalredneck.org/albums/album04/Mao_Mart.jpg
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn
Reply With Quote
  #6    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:25 AM
Dankdude's Avatar
Mr.Ganja
Mr. Ganja
Dankdude is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in Texas
Posts: 2,880
Dankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to behold
Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Sorry I was listening to a pod cast on Brewer's Network
__________________
http://liberalredneck.org/albums/album04/Mao_Mart.jpg
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn
Reply With Quote
  #7    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:31 AM
VTXDave's Avatar
Veteran Smoker
Mr. Ganja
VTXDave is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wild, Wild West
Posts: 1,743
VTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to behold
Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dankdude View Post
So your against due process dave???
Yeah...I'm against due process Dank...Poorly staged dodge my friend. Try again. Tell me how this is just, and only, Bush and not the thieves and liars that comprise Congress.
Reply With Quote
  #8    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:33 AM
VTXDave's Avatar
Veteran Smoker
Mr. Ganja
VTXDave is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wild, Wild West
Posts: 1,743
VTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to beholdVTXDave is a splendid one to behold
Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11 Points: 6,183, Level: 11
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dankdude View Post
Sorry I was listening to a pod cast on Brewer's Network
OK. I understand. Would you agree that Congress is complicit in this charade though?
Reply With Quote
  #9    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Dankdude's Avatar
Mr.Ganja
Mr. Ganja
Dankdude is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in Texas
Posts: 2,880
Dankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to behold
Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Look Dave you can't be selective about due process. if we are to give it to illegal immigrants we must give it to everyone. Once on US soil everyone is supposed to have this right. Last I checked Guantanamo Bay is a US installation (thus US Property) The Supreme Court made the right decision here.
__________________
http://liberalredneck.org/albums/album04/Mao_Mart.jpg
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn
Reply With Quote
  #10    
Old 06-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Dankdude's Avatar
Mr.Ganja
Mr. Ganja
Dankdude is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in Texas
Posts: 2,880
Dankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to beholdDankdude is a splendid one to behold
Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17 Points: 13,846, Level: 17
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
I'm going to bed, I'm tired and have been drinking (IPA and Brown Ale)
Nite.
__________________
http://liberalredneck.org/albums/album04/Mao_Mart.jpg
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn
 

Tags
bay, bush, guantanamo, rebuke

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Thread

Thread Starter

Forum

Replies

Last Post

Supreme Court ruling makes Guantanamo a campaign issue Dankdude Politics 0 06-12-2008 06:24 PM
bush shorty45 Newbie Central 1 04-03-2008 05:46 PM
Harold And Kumar - Escape From Guantanamo Bay Mr.Pyrex Toke N Talk 5 01-25-2008 07:24 AM
how to get a bush pothead6 Newbie Central 8 12-03-2007 10:49 AM
Britain asks US to free five from Guantanamo Dankdude Politics 1 08-08-2007 01:57 PM

Posting Rules

You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Come Check out a new Poker Forum for the online poker community

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:54 AM.
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2