Going back to the articels of confederation, father of our beloved constitution.
Ever ask yourself why the constitution was writin?
what was before the constitution?
Why did the states give up state rights?
The answers have far less to do with american freedom.
world court law: a none taxed land is a territory, a 'nation' is taxed.
Could the constitution have been the first brick in the wall?
Room full of freemasons in a locked room(birth of bilderbergism?)
ok, I'm getting way off base again, must have A.D.D.(awesome danky dank!)

shays rebellion,
1786–87, armed insurrection by farmers in W Massachusetts against the state government. Debt-ridden farmers, struck by the economic depression that followed the American Revolution, petitioned the state senate to issue paper money and to halt foreclosure of mortgages on their property and their own imprisonment for debt as a result of high land taxes. Sentiment was particularly high against the commercial interests who controlled the state senate in Boston, and the lawyers who hastened the farmers' bankruptcy by their exorbitant fees for litigation. When the state senate failed to undertake reform, armed insurgents in the Berkshire Hills and the Connecticut valley, under the leadership of Daniel Shays and others, began forcibly to prevent the county courts from sitting to make judgments for debt. In September they forced the state supreme court at Springfield to adjourn.

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Ever ask yourself why the constitution was writin?

Article 1, Section 8(4) Should read..." THIS bankruptcy..." Darn Mcgraw Hill forgot to put it in the US History books. Oops! Their Bad.

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i know, i know! magna carta!

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yes magna carta was one of meany influences,greek and roman laws where also applied. why was it needed if we had AOC already?
Did the people have a say in a new government? nope, after the doors unlocked they were told(not sold).No vote and no say in the matter.
A mass rebellion had started over the new tax system(by the same people who fought against brit taxes/control)but that was put down very quickly by the new military who out guned and out numbered the people who felt imprisoned by the new government.(I'm sure the people thought, why did we even fight the brits, what was the point,to be in the same position?)
I guess my point is, no such thing as the good old days.Never was any real freedom.It's always been about control and money.Yes, the birth of america as we know it, was founded on taxing and controlling the people.
The actions that we see today, where the same back then, nothing has changed........no good ol days.



Quote from Brian Shay.... a mans land shall not be taxed in any form, for that is not freedom we seek.

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Oh i see what your point is now.

I would say compared to the time of magna carta with the time of the US constitution - there was significantly more freedom for more people.

And things like the whisky rebellion do leave a bad taste in tax-hating/freedom-loving mouths.

The letter of the constitution is really attempting to reign in gov't - it just doesn't go far enough - especially securing state's rights which lincoln pretty much killed.

But i understand your point - i mean it was the 2nd president that signed the alien and sedition act. And even the beloved TJ made the Louisiana purchase without congress' consent (a good thing but outside his powers).

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The reason the West was settled was in large part due to the pioneers trying to get away from the Eastern Establishment. Unfortunatly, the Eastern Establishment followed right behind them. You can bet Jim Bridger never paid taxes.

Vi

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Ive been reading these two books that are about the days after England left NY,'the last hold on american soil.' and 'the final days of freedom, leading to the constitution.'
I thought I knew american history and what great men the fathers were.....
I couldnt have been more wrong in my views.-Ive been hoodwinked!
It's always been us VS them.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDlMzx9OKc

I love it!!!

I shows how if the people come together and unite than "we the people" actually DO RULE! We are the ones that let them impose preposterous laws that don't allow us to smoke pot and the such. Back 100 years ago, pot was legal and back ~200 years ago, it was law that you had to grow pot/hemp......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2yV...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfH2F...eature=related (If the last two links don't work then search for a vid called "grow more pot" on youtube. If there is a queer guy talking than your watching the right vids. There are two parts "grow more pot" and "grow more pot part 2".)

Also hemp oils might(allegedly) be able to cure cancer???? IDK, but you be the judge and watch this..YouTube - RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story (Part 1 of 7)

So, it is the people that get brainwashed by watching too much TV and allow the media to bias them into thinking how they want. Everyone is so scared about global warming and the such, when everyone should know that the earth goes through natural climate changes.

Furthermore, fock taxes and the corrupt gov't! Don't get me wrong, some taxes are good(for road construction, police, firefighters, etc) but they should be apportioned and closely scrutinized by the public(you and me), after all, its our money! We shouldn't have to pay for income tax, excise tax, property tax, taxes on our cell phones, on gasoline, sales tax, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc................. etc etc etc.............. etc etc etc....... They take ~1/3 of our pay and than we have the "privilege" to pay taxes on everything else that we purchase and anything big(house, car, etc) we own. I know people that work a full time job, live with their parents and still can't afford to pay for his bills. I know so many people that are hurting from all of the current expenses. Now a lot of peoples credit is going to shyt because of the cost of living burden.

And I believe gov't is good too, just not the present state. I like how RON PAUL proposes how gov't should be- minimal(enough homeland security to keep any opposing gov't's at bay.) That way, we won't have to be in billions of dollars of debt and RON PAUL would get rid of income tax too, and the "Federal" reserve.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

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"We must learn to live together as brothers, or perish together as fools." MLK

Tarded, you are right.Force does work when needed.
The constitution was writin because of a rebellion that was knocking on the state reps door step.(they had to do something and fast)
One state after another couldnt handle it's own rebellion-had no army.
The states, were months behind in pay for the soldiers and soon would have to face that fact.
The fathers wanted to be viewed as a nation(ie. world court law: taxes)at the cost of the people.A ton of other facts of why it was writin, but FOR the people was not one of them, more like how to control the people,the rebellion, the taxes and become a world player.
Not one signer 100% agreed with the constitution.(sounds odd, right?)
The constitution was forced onto the people, who did not cheer it as the story was told. Yes, it's writin that the people shall over come government actions if need be...while the new government shut down any and all rebellion who did not share the views of the constitution.Soo, even from the start the government had total control and did what they felt to be right...but right for who, is the question? Wasnt for the people, that I'm sure of.
My view is that the constitution was the birth of bilderbergism and everything eles has fallin into place...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDlMzx9OKc

Thanks When am I not?

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~PEACE~

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"We must learn to live together as brothers, or perish together as fools." MLK