Some more stuff about hydrogen technology that I wrote up in talk and toke. Maybe you guys are interested. Why do sheeple still run their cars on gasoline?

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Maybe it's because that's all they can afford. I still owe a bit on my pickup and to change vehicles at this point would bankrupt me. Poor people drive 10 year old cars and can't afford the gas to drive them let alone swap for some 40-70K hybrid. When they cut loose with an affordable swap to hydrogen, Sign me up.

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I agree with mm on that one. my family can't afford to get a new and better car and neither can i while it would be nice to have an alternative to todays car it wouldn't make a difference if you can't afford one

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Maybe you guys should read the whole thread.... I was talking about retrofitting your car with a hydrogen kit. I haven't checked out the prices on how much a kit costs but I posted a link that you can buy a kit from(or a book or something)....

Maybe you guys should google "hydrogen kits for car" and let me know what you come up with.... I'm broke too ATM, so theres no sense to look into buying a kit until I can afford it....

Read the whole thread over again guys, theres so some info, if you have any questions about anything than you can ask. Don't be shy, theres not such thing as a stupid question when your a new to a subject.

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Because I can't afford a new Dodge Ram Turbo Diesel, if I could, I'd hit up the Fast Food places for their fry grease and make bio diesel. It only takes a heat source to heat the oil to around 120° F, methanol and lye.
There are no modifications needed to run your vehicle on bio diesel, and the best part is your exhaust smells like french fries.

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Haha.

Actually, I'm not sure what would happen with the effects is you run it through a diesel engine. I know you couldn't exclusively run hydrogen through a diesel engine because you need a spark to get the hydrogen to combust(I think...)

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No I'd run on bio diesel, It take just as much energy to produce Hydrogen as it makes. It take more energy to produce ethanol than it produces.
I've already studied this.. The Best option is Bio diesel it's cheap and cost effective to produce... We tard i have been looking into this for the last few years now...

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We tard i have been looking into this for the last few years now...

^^Feel free to share any pertinent info

Right, I know what bio-diesel is, I was just wondering if you replaced hydrogen for the air intake if you would get more power from each piston stroke. ?

If I'm not mistaken, the first "diesel" engines were meant to be run off bio diesel, or something besides diesel fuel... Am I wrong? Do you know off the top of your head Dank?

I know it takes more energy to make the hydrogen than it produces, But the cost you would pay for the electric and water bill would be nil compared to what people are paying for gasoline. Right?

When I first learned about hydrogen I also learned that it takes more power to convert it-just like any process, you lose efficiency in the form of heat- than it makes. BUT with gas going for 4 dollars a gallon, the efficiency that you lose from hydrogen sounds pretty cheap compared to gas.

You can get a lot of electric power for 4 dollars. The price that you would pay for electricity vs the miles you would get from the 4 dollars is outstanding compared to the miles from gasoline. As a note, I have not done any physical tests running hydrogen through engines, but I have looked at it from a mathematical point of view from figures I have gotten via the internet. I'm laid off right now, so I'm in not in a point where I can have my own lab for testing fun stuff.

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Yes the First Diesel Engine was meant to run off of Vegetable oil.
At this moment it would take less money to produce hydrogen as far as electrical and water cost, but as the price to produce energy raises so will the cost of electricity proportionately.

You have to remember that most electricity is produce using one of 3 sources.
Hydroelectric turbines.
Natural Gas.
Coal.

They are working on producing Gasoline from Coal, now this is a viable option, but it won't come cheap.
Natural Gas, I remember that back in the 1970's there were city cars running on Propane and Natural Gas. The Problems with these options are that there is a lot of modifications needed to be done to a vehicle to use this option, also the draw back to Propane is that you still have to deal with the oil Companies. Natural Gas would be the better option.

Electric cars are great, they have outstanding 0-60 proformance but you are extremely limited on the distance you can travel.

Don't feel bad about the Job Situation, I quit after my Boss screwed me out of $1,000 and has been blowing smoke up my ass since Christmas. I gave the man the benefit of a doubt, but I can only wait so long for what's owed to me. Also he screwed me for $225 on my last pay check... That's ok, I get to watch him squirm now, the IRS is after him for Tax evasion.

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And if it takes off, how much ya wanna bet our "representatives" will find a way to tax it.